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thank you

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the spoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947. the Army Air Forces has announced

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that applying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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change the game game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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difference is worldwide would vanish if

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we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this work

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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good evening Fade to Black

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bespoke radio for the

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masses

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today's Wednesday

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December 22nd and our guest tonight is

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Whitley streber and I've called this

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show new book new year for a lot of

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reasons and you'll find out uh all of

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that tonight in our conversation and

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before I jump through uh the lengthiest

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bio known to man uh let's just get

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straight to the show and and here's the

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thing I have had Whitley on the show so

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many times over the years you can go

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back and listen to any previous

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broadcast and and pick up the bio and

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certainly it is below I but but Whitley

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welcome back to the show young man I

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just want to jump straight into it

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unless you want me to talk about

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screenplay adaptations your complete

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book list your complete bio radio

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television and all do you want me to go

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through all of that

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uh yes I do

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I think so I couldn't go through all of

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it myself I've been a busy boy yeah yeah

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you you really have you really have and

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when I've had so many guests on the show

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like yourself that are friends and and

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I've always felt that you know when uh

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you know you've been doing this show for

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a decade now and and how many times can

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you come on as a guest and a friend and

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listen to your bio get read again and

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you know so there you go but the bio was

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below and and uh Whitley uh we haven't

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talked for 24 hours how you been right

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yeah yeah you were Jimmy's he's going to

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be on my Christmas Show starting on

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Friday and we recorded that yesterday so

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yeah and uh not it was Dynamic Jimmy it

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was an incredible you're really really

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exciting stuff well it's you know you

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know what was uh the best part of that I

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I wanted to steal one of your lines uh

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from our conversation everybody can go

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to unknown country

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um and which I always uh ask everybody

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to do uh for all of Whitley's stuff and

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and the new stuff and this new Christmas

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special that that he's put together it's

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myself it'll be up on Friday yeah it's

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it's Linda myself and who was the third

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Marie Geller oh here yeah oh there you

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go oh man so um but the reason why uh

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and I say this uh so often with you

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um in that

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um you are somebody that I've always

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your level of excellence and your the

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way that you carry a conversation in an

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interview is something that I've always

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aspired to and I have listened uh to you

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for so long now and I've stolen so much

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uh from you uh but but unknown country

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and what you've been doing over there

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it's it's just amazing it's uh thank you

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Jimmy thank you very much you said you

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wanted to steal a line and with yeah the

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line oh see see that's why you see

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you're you're you're much sharper than I

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the line that I wanted to steal uh you

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go so Jimmy

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you just want a riff

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yeah well if you know I can rip it you

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can riff we can all yeah it was it was

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uh it was it was just a great line you

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want a riff let's go and and we did I've

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got tears that was such a that was such

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a funny line you want a riff

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um now I actually want to start here

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um our time on your show uh was was

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compressed and there was a few moments

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and I know you're going to go that's

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right there were a few moments where we

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started to light some fires and we we

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almost took off and and lost control and

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I loved that and so I think tonight we

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should riff a little bit but you know I

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took off and lost control many years ago

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um and and here's here's the thing

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um this is where I want to start uh you

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you left uh the country and you had told

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me uh three or four months ago uh you

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and we don't need to discuss that now

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but you told me you said Jimmy um I'm

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and I'm gonna go uh to England and I'm

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going to go and write my book I'll see

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you when I return and I was kind of

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bummed about it you're my friend

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um you know that I don't get to see you

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for a few months but you you are back

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and did you get the book done the book's

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finished it's in copy editing and I'm

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going to shake the copy of this tree in

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a couple days see where she is

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and then it will once the copy edit is

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finished uh it'll go to proofreading and

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we will be uh we'll be rolling yeah I

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think it'll probably be sometime in

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January I'd hope for December of course

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but it's not going to happen

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what's it can I ask you a question and

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this at the publishing industry is is a

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strange beast and and until you are

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battling that Beast personally uh you

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know you just don't have any any

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knowledge of it but once you've written

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the book and you've written many once

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you've written the book

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the editing stage how difficult is that

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and and how important is it what gets

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I'm I'm my own publisher now I publish

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through my own company

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I have a a friend uh Mitch Horowitz who

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was my editor

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at torture penguin for years he edited

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uh the key uh afterlife Revolution I'm

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no no he didn't edit that I'm sorry he

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edited the key uh solving the community

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Enigma and Supernatural

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and then they shut down torture penguin

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anymore he does other things

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but he wanted just we were we had dinner

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and he said well I'd love to see the

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book and I thought great he's one of the

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best editors in the business maybe he'll

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give me some some editing input

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and so what happens is

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writes me back

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and he sends a preface he's written a

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preface to the book

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and he calls it the most important book

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about this subject that's been written

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since passport to Magonia was published

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by Jacque Valley in 1969 that

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fundamentally changed everything about

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the way we think about the close

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encounter experience and aliens and so

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so that was my editor and that was a

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pretty good edit in my opinion

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um when you're in the publishing

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business everything moves much more

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uh it like you send a book in

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if they've bought it

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then you'll probably see your editorial

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comments within a few months

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and then it'll be another year before

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the book is published

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but in quickly streamers world now

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that's all very concentrated because

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I've got the visitors involved in this

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and they don't have the same timeline at

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like when a book's finished they don't

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understand why it's not in out

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you know when I say it's finished

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then as far as they're concerned

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let's get it out there so it'll be out

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there as soon as possible

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if I was in the regular publishing

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business it would not be are we talking

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about the Mitch Horowitz yeah we are wow

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yeah wow wow a major guy right yeah

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major major guy major brain

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um and uh great Visionary but no I did

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not know he was from the publishing

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industry and I thought I knew Mitch

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pretty well so he was your editor over a

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penguin right he was

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I know and about Mitch yeah and uh

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they pulled torture penguin because the

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types of books that they they have a

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basic antipathy towards sort of the

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uh you know extra Ordinary World in the

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whole New York publishing business just

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in general

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and with Jeremy tarcher passed away

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it took it took him about three months

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or maybe maybe six months before they

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just pulled the whole thing because with

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had to keep it open during his lifetime

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but then when he he passed on they

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didn't have to anymore so they dropped

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it not that it wasn't doing well it was

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doing fine they just don't like it yeah

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right right all right yes Penguin yeah

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they they just have their thing right or

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their thing yeah they do what they want

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to do and they you know they want to be

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in the secular World intellectually and

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in the in the straight kind of fiction

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World in terms of fiction right and you

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know they have their thing and they're

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very successful and I I applaud them I

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think they do a wonderful job of what

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they do this is not what they do this is

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not what they do

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speaking of this and and that subject

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um here we are uh heading into the

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holidays at the end of 2022

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and it's been a strange year uh for our

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community emotions uh have been swinging

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in in both directions and and you're in

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the middle of all of it how do you feel

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right now how do you think 2022 was and

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and are we going to see anything this

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year or is it just another you know

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another episode of we've got to go into

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uh that's a good question

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there is uh

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something going on right now

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which suggests that

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the Department of Defense

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is going to back off

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uh which is the Bellwether the New York

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Times is a real bellwether

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and you know in other words what the

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defense Department's going to do you can

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you you read about it six weeks before

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it happens in the New York Times

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because they've got obviously very good

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reporters who are closely connected and

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it's their job to

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to find out what's going on and

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a reporter

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a story rather was uh published a few

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weeks ago

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that basically debunked everything

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and it was done by one of their Pentagon

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reporters

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and it did not have

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any attribution in it at all it's simply

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The Only Name Was Pentagon officials

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and in other words it could just as

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easily have simply been written by him

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on their request or or not I mean it

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wasn't a real news item it was more of

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an opinion piece right and basically it

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debunked everything now Ronald Moultrie

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the uh under secretary of defense for

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intelligence and security

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has said that they have no evidence at

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all of any UFO crashes materials or

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anything like that at all

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and here's the thing

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he might not be lying

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and the reason is something that's two

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words those two words are pencils up

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pencils up means that meeting after

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meeting

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has been held without any record being

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kept back in 1988

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General Exon told me that he was still

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going to right field every couple of

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weeks to consult because most of the

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things that they had done and discovered

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were pencils up nobody

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was

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Secret

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and I know people in the in this field

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now to this day

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who never absolutely never when they

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have meetings on this subject whether

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they are in the defense department or in

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Private Industry keep a record

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absolutely never

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just as a matter of course

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so the truth is someone at moultrie's

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level is not going to know he's

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literally not going to know what's going

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on so when he says we have no evidence

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of this

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he's telling the truth

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he doesn't have any evidence of this but

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that doesn't mean it's not going on

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he you know that that old it's one of

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the most quoted things right uh you know

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on a need to know basis and when we're

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getting into a subject like that not

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only with ET and crash retrievals but

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there's other things too as well where

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we're talking about a very

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compartmentalized uh not only defense

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system but sub contractor system and and

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what is going on in the special access

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programs that's it so you're right it's

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not lying it's because he doesn't know

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and never will know

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right exactly he never will

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and and especially when it's outside of

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the of the defense department itself in

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Private Industry and to be quite Frank

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Private Industry

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has made a lot of money on this stuff

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only it's not been evenly spread around

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certain companies

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where there was already

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a a an established

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system of classification in other words

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they were already read in people that

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that could take this and run with it

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they got the gold

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and their competitors did not

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so what's going to happen then

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what's going to happen then is if those

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competitors

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find out

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that they have been competing against

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people who are making things like

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unbelievably strong prosthetic devices

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like artificial knees and stuff because

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they got technology that came from the

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Roswell craft

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they're in a suit and deserve at least

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rightly so

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because they had the the patents are

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going to be in the names of people who

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did not actually invent what the patents

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say they invented that's fraud

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so it's a big can of worms a huge can of

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worms and someone who is forced like

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Moultrie or the people above that level

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uh the uh uh in the in in in the

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government

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to

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respond in some way within the context

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of the law cannot know this because if

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they do know it then they are in

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violation of the law by not doing what

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they should do and report this as

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criminal activity now so they don't get

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to know no they don't they don't and

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they don't want to know and here's the

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thing about not only the New York Times

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and especially when you're writing an

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opinion piece which is the news today

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the news is nothing but opinion it's

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very little fact but but here's here's

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the thing

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isn't it the job of a reporter to do

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just a little bit of work and and and go

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and investigate the obvious here if that

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is the position of Moultrie and the

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Pentagon today and odni in the

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Department of Defense and and everybody

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else that's involved with this and it's

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an about face from the report that they

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released to Congress and to the public

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last August in 2021 if it's a complete

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policy change uh and and the facts have

405
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flip-flopped isn't that the story

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should no reporter be asking those

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questions why did you State this before

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and why are you saying this now it's two

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different things how much has changed I

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don't think any reporter on the Pentagon

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beat would would write that important

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story which is true you're right it is

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an important story but I don't think

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they would because they would not be

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able to function on the Pentagon beat

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anymore after that they would be

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blindsided and they would be they would

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become toxic

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and they would have to take do something

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else

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they'd probably end up on the society

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Pages or something

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Crossing will they be thrown out

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basically uh by you know if the source

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dries up then the reporter has to do

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something else and they all know this

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and they live with this

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it's it's it's kind of

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um uh it's it's almost journalism 101

430
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where you have a choice you can play the

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long game and do a two-year

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investigation piece right and and go and

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and do that or you could just go after

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the low hanging fruit and it's a case

435
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it's the low-hanging fruit man it's

436
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right it's always going to be the

437
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low-hanging fruit because if they go

438
00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:02,940
deep they go deeper they get in trouble

439
00:20:06,409 --> 00:20:04,980
and then they there's they they don't

440
00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:06,419
even have any low-hanging fruit to go

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for yeah it's it's they're out of the

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business I'm not I'm you know I'm an

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okay intelligence person I'm I'm in the

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middle

445
00:20:22,190 --> 00:20:18,539
um I'm the exact person that you need to

446
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,200
be writing for because I can see through

447
00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:24,000
this and if I can see through this so

448
00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:26,220
can millions of others yeah but most

449
00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:29,220
people are very passive and they will

450
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especially about something that doesn't

451
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matter in their lives

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uh

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of many people

454
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:47,220
there's nothing that changes your life

455
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more profoundly than something like a

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close encounter of the Third Kind or

457
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even a close flyby of a UFO that you

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00:21:02,210 --> 00:20:59,520
know is real that changes you forever

459
00:21:04,669 --> 00:21:02,220
but that doesn't happen that the broad

460
00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:04,679
mass of people or if it does happen they

461
00:21:09,169 --> 00:21:08,340
don't remember it and uh so they don't

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care

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and the government knows that but if the

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truth came out

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boy would they care and the government

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the people at the top know that too so

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no they're not going to be

468
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telling all they're going to tell as

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much as they have to tell and I think

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that they can easily control Congress by

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simply saying

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okay if we say this is real

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then all of these people who have been

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abducted are going to start coming

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forward and demanding help and demanding

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money and making a lot of noise and if

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we are backed into a corner then we have

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to say

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we know it happened to you and there was

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nothing we could do about it we don't

481
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fully understand it and there is nothing

482
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we can do about it now

483
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and that will be a worldwide headlines

484
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for a long time you know

485
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and and the alternative and this is the

486
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part where uh for me and certainly uh

487
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for you is is the most shocking and and

488
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the most frustrating at the same time

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which is this

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the it's the worst case scenario is they

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keep you know their heads in the sand

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and they're hoping that nothing's going

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to go down and then something's gonna

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happen that's not going to be in their

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control

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and and that that those uh experiencers

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and abductees that you just referenced

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they'll be really pissed off if if it

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goes that way and and they do the C I

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Told You So and the government's gonna

501
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have to come out and have all of these

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admissions that's that's a worse uh the

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better thing to do would be to get out

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in front of it which they've almost done

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Whitley it was we were right there

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yeah they almost did it but then they

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backed off

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basically sat down with Congress and

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told them

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the truth that they are going to have to

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they're gonna have to admit this and

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they can't admit it and especially

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because if you look at the record

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you find that the Air Force and other

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Intel Air Force intelligence and other

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intelligence agencies

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have been debunking this for a long time

518
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there's a very close was a very close

519
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relationship between Philip class and

520
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the Air Force the reason being that he

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oh heck I'm I'm blanking I'm not

522
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blanking I'm screwing up the name he was

523
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the head of Aerospace at technology week

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and I know that's not the correct name

525
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:16,980
but you know most people will be able to

526
00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:17,880
figure out what I was talking about

527
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which relied

528
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for its stories on leaks about secret

529
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aircraft from the Air Force controlled

530
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leaks leaks that no one no one thought

531
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:35,700
Aerospace week and Technology was uh was

532
00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:37,620
stealing from the Air Force I mean it

533
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was a handshake deal

534
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and he was in return he did this

535
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debunking I'm quite sure

536
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,140
he suggested as much to me one of the

537
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first times I met him when he was trying

538
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:54,600
to get me he was saying sort of you know

539
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:57,059
you're a patriot and I know you're on

540
00:25:02,570 --> 00:24:59,580
side so

541
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:02,580
you need to you need to play the game

542
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:04,919
you need to say that you have figured

543
00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:06,179
out what happened to you and it wasn't

544
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what you thought

545
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and I said I can't do that because it's

546
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not true

547
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and he said well aren't you a patriot

548
00:25:20,169 --> 00:25:18,000
and when then I figured out

549
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uh that he was

550
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:24,260
basically getting his scoops in return

551
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:27,840
for this for doing this

552
00:25:30,769 --> 00:25:29,400
and there are other writers who have

553
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:30,779
done the same thing who have gotten

554
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:33,419
Scoops from the Air Force in return for

555
00:25:38,090 --> 00:25:35,340
debunking this

556
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:38,100
and these people is the abductee

557
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:41,460
community are just total cannon fodder I

558
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:44,460
mean they can they're this is the last

559
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,240
community of people who can safely be

560
00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:51,360
bullied publicly yeah yeah yeah that's

561
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:55,559
why it's no problem to tell for for uh

562
00:25:59,690 --> 00:25:57,059
uh

563
00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:59,700
someone to tell a rectal probe joke on

564
00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:01,740
The Tonight Show or something that's

565
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:02,580
funny

566
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:04,380
the fact that it's they're talking about

567
00:26:09,169 --> 00:26:06,360
somebody getting raped

568
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:09,179
well you don't have to go there we're

569
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:12,299
laughing now we're having fun

570
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,320
even that that movie nope contains which

571
00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:18,960
is a cool movie about an alien abduction

572
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:21,659
I mean it's you know it's it's at least

573
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,159
it was cool for me until it turned out

574
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:25,919
that the UFO was just a bunch of sheets

575
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,679
but that was okay it was still a good

576
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,720
movie but it has a rectal probe joke in

577
00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:31,679
it

578
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:43,140
uh

579
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:48,900
person who's had that happen to him

580
00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:52,320
feels that feels the pain of being

581
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,120
laughed at for having been raped and I

582
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,360
certainly do yeah yeah there is

583
00:27:03,470 --> 00:26:59,520
um uh when we talk about you know

584
00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:03,480
somebody like Philip class and and the

585
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:06,840
uh you know he was a paid uh paid show

586
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:10,620
paid informant uh Informer debunker as

587
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:13,260
well as misinformation agent

588
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:15,299
um on the payroll of I would say

589
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:19,260
multiple agencies and and yeah I don't

590
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,400
think he was on the payroll of any

591
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:23,039
agencies oh I do I do I think I don't

592
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:24,840
think so he's on a payroll of anyone he

593
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:26,220
didn't need a pay he didn't need to be

594
00:27:30,130 --> 00:27:28,020
on their payroll anyway it would have

595
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:30,140
been extremely if that would have been

596
00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:34,200
vary against the law the these the the

597
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,659
government can't propagandize the

598
00:27:41,710 --> 00:27:39,120
American people but they do they do it

599
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:41,720
yeah well project Mockingbird happened

600
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:44,460
they do it I know they do it I'm not

601
00:27:48,769 --> 00:27:46,500
saying they don't do it right but I

602
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:48,779
think that paying somebody outside on

603
00:27:54,409 --> 00:27:52,320
who's on the outside whose tax returns

604
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:54,419
are going to be visible and so forth I'd

605
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:56,279
be very surprised if they do did that

606
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:58,860
but paying him in Scoops for his

607
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:01,559
magazine oh yeah no question that was

608
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,980
almost certainly done yeah well I I you

609
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:06,960
know and and in this community you know

610
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:08,340
Bill Moore

611
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:11,340
and and the yeah I don't know I think a

612
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,080
lot of money changed hands but but

613
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:15,840
listen there are a lot of people in the

614
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:20,460
UFO Community who are not what they seem

615
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,600
a lot yes I know

616
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:27,360
I know let's not do that now we can do

617
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:28,860
that we won't go down that right I want

618
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:30,419
to go down that road anyway yeah we'll

619
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:32,039
we'll do that on the phone later we know

620
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:35,640
who you are guys you can't fool us and

621
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:38,220
uh but I want to go back to your point

622
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:40,200
um since we're riffing tonight we're

623
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:41,460
riffing

624
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:46,500
um in that if we go back historically

625
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,820
and and for for those out there I think

626
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,080
that

627
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:54,960
um there are three and I'm reviewing

628
00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:57,720
these books right now extensively uh

629
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,460
going back and looking at the historical

630
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,720
data

631
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:03,120
um I'm I'm going back to uh all of the

632
00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:04,740
original Jacques valet stuff from the

633
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:06,360
1970s

634
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:11,700
um uh uh uh Dr heinek's 1977 booked a

635
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,340
report of Project Blue Book and Richard

636
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:17,039
Dolan's uh UFOs in the National Security

637
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:21,059
State volume one all three of them

638
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:25,500
go back and look at uh an especially

639
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,740
Heineken especially Dolan at cases from

640
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:31,200
the United States Air Force in in the

641
00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:34,260
40s 50s and 60s yeah that we don't hear

642
00:29:39,789 --> 00:29:36,779
about uh you know I did that for my book

643
00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:39,799
yeah the part of my book on the military

644
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,120
that's where you find out what the truth

645
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:44,820
is you've and you find it out

646
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:47,460
in the first story that comes out about

647
00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:48,539
something

648
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:51,419
and then this the next few stories are

649
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,539
all all back peddling and debunking and

650
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:56,460
the next thing you know it's gone

651
00:30:02,450 --> 00:29:59,940
but if you do that an amazing picture

652
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:02,460
shows up listen I've got some of my

653
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,860
subscribers are in our subscriber chat

654
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:07,200
room and watching the listening to the

655
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,520
show at the same time and they're

656
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,620
getting some questions and can I bring

657
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:12,720
there's a question that's very germane

658
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:14,039
to what we're talking about right now

659
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,200
I'd like to bring up

660
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:18,960
is that okay this is unknown Country

661
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:23,940
Part due that's right okay okay well you

662
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:26,220
know they're there and and uh you know

663
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,140
it's a great group of people what are

664
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,240
the dangers to close encounter

665
00:30:33,370 --> 00:30:32,399
experiences if the government has to

666
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:33,380
admit

667
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:37,080
abductions have happened that's a really

668
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:39,059
really fine question that's the

669
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:41,580
fundamental issue I think well yeah

670
00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:42,659
because

671
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:46,380
what are these there's there's all kinds

672
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,940
of unknowns here

673
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,159
like for example

674
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,620
what if who's ever done the abductions

675
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,240
and does the abductions and they're

676
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:55,919
they're not as common now as they once

677
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:56,760
were

678
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,860
does not want that known

679
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:01,679
and we tell the world

680
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,520
then do they lash out at the people that

681
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,679
are going on the radio and TV and saying

682
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,360
yes that happened to me

683
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:11,120
or not

684
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:15,299
or or is there going to be a backlash to

685
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,020
people with various religious beliefs in

686
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,020
in in in the various religions decide

687
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,480
that they are demons of some kind and

688
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:26,880
have and and are dangerous

689
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:31,860
and or do their friends and family who

690
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:33,299
have sort of always

691
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:36,960
taken it with a grain of salt then say

692
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:39,059
you know you're scary I don't want to be

693
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,679
near you anymore

694
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,720
those are all great questions and I

695
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:44,880
don't think we have the answers we don't

696
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:47,520
actually know what happened to the

697
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,460
experiencers if the government admitted

698
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:52,080
that the abductions had happened but

699
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,340
look what that look what uh uh David

700
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,080
fravor

701
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:00,960
um Alex Dietrich and and Lou Elizondo

702
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:04,020
even Chris Mellon uh who have come

703
00:32:12,769 --> 00:32:08,700
forward and have and and they have uh

704
00:32:15,049 --> 00:32:12,779
been attacked and and you know they've

705
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:15,059
got their supporters I'm not saying that

706
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:17,820
and abductees and experiences are going

707
00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:19,620
to have their supporters but you're

708
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:21,179
going to have the attacks and you're

709
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:22,980
right Whitley once you're in this

710
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:26,220
subject once you're here in in this

711
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:29,580
sphere the gloves come off you know it's

712
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,039
like it's almost like um you know what

713
00:32:36,190 --> 00:32:34,740
it's like it's like trench warfare and

714
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:36,200
World War one

715
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:39,779
four years long four years lobbing

716
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:43,140
mustard gas and each other and and it's

717
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:46,740
Relentless right it just never stops and

718
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,360
like I say you know that's the last

719
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:49,679
group of people who can safely be

720
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:52,260
bullied yeah yeah yeah that's really

721
00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:54,539
amazing I mean we can't bully anybody

722
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:56,940
anymore and uh

723
00:33:04,970 --> 00:32:58,860
uh

724
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:04,980
me let me ask you this I've never asked

725
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:08,640
uh you this question uh before

726
00:33:14,769 --> 00:33:12,600
um when we look at the amount of

727
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:14,779
sightings contact

728
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,440
uh uh events and of course abduction uh

729
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:21,899
if we can throw my lab in there too as

730
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,580
well but

731
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,440
um that that whole sphere right that

732
00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:27,600
that whole lump we're talking about

733
00:33:30,730 --> 00:33:29,640
millions and millions of millions of

734
00:33:34,029 --> 00:33:30,740
people

735
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,039
is is it some

736
00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:37,440
if if it's not real then it's some crazy

737
00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:41,299
psychosis right and it can't be

738
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:44,519
that big of an issue a mental illness

739
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:47,820
issue around the planet you know and and

740
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,039
I think that's the that I think that's

741
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:53,100
the question here if if you are going to

742
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:55,320
go on the record here and and attack

743
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,380
these people and and say that then what

744
00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:00,000
is it that you're suggesting that

745
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,059
everybody's crazy these are most of them

746
00:34:09,310 --> 00:34:06,480
are just normal people like you and I

747
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:09,320
well like you uh

748
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:12,540
sure how normal I am

749
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,760
um I've been doing this too long

750
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,440
um but um

751
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:19,679
yeah I mean you make a great point you

752
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:21,060
make a great point

753
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,700
and I think these people are highly

754
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,280
vulnerable and they they do not have a

755
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:28,740
friend we don't have any friends there's

756
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:30,540
nobody on our side

757
00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:32,940
there would be people on our side if

758
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,119
this was proved to be true I think we

759
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:38,159
would have a lot of support I would but

760
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:40,200
we would also have problems no question

761
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:42,899
well see and here's okay so here's

762
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,540
here's the issue and by the way my

763
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:48,179
allergies are kicking butt I've already

764
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:50,099
sneezed a few times during the show I've

765
00:34:54,829 --> 00:34:52,080
been hitting my mute button and so

766
00:34:58,089 --> 00:34:54,839
that's me too me too yeah I've been

767
00:35:02,410 --> 00:34:58,099
sneezing all day long uh 30 40 times

768
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:02,420
okay so anyway this is the issue

769
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,140
if um when we talk about disclosure and

770
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:08,640
for those out there and I've said this

771
00:35:12,829 --> 00:35:10,619
too that say we don't need disclosure

772
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:12,839
we've already seen you know you know

773
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:16,320
what okay but for the millions of people

774
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,560
out there that have been silenced that

775
00:35:23,470 --> 00:35:21,300
can't say anything to their friends or

776
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:23,480
their family or their employers or

777
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:27,680
that's it they they are trapped in this

778
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:31,320
they need the government to step forward

779
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:35,339
and and and start disclosing things for

780
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:38,460
them if you don't need disclosure that's

781
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:41,400
fine but there are millions of people on

782
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:43,859
this planet that need that version of

783
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:46,260
disclosure Whitley that's the only way

784
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:50,040
forward that's absolutely correct

785
00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:52,980
uh absolutely correct

786
00:35:57,609 --> 00:35:55,619
and you know they're going to fight that

787
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:57,619
this is gonna there's gonna be a fight

788
00:36:02,329 --> 00:36:00,960
and unfortunately I do not think that we

789
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:02,339
have Congress on our side anymore

790
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:04,920
because I think Congress has been scared

791
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:05,880
off

792
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:07,380
and I think that will become evident

793
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:09,780
over the course of the year at the same

794
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:10,920
time

795
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:13,320
there are people

796
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:16,380
who maybe can't be scared off

797
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:19,380
and that you know they they're going to

798
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,720
keep the pressure up whether they are

799
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:24,240
which political party they're in the

800
00:36:29,089 --> 00:36:26,460
ones that will continue to step forward

801
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,099
I don't know and therefore I don't know

802
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:31,500
how effective it will be because the

803
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,339
Congress the house is changing sides and

804
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:37,680
the Senate is very shaky it could change

805
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,339
sides also so we just don't know how

806
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:42,720
that'll fall out

807
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,200
but I believe uh wasn't Marco Rubio yeah

808
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:48,560
was am I right about that yeah yeah

809
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:52,440
Romeo gillibrand Angela brand were the

810
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:55,619
two that are that were most vocal and

811
00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:01,680
well uh Gallagher uh um and uh uh

812
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:03,660
um uh Timber Chet

813
00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:05,579
you know these you know they're they're

814
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:09,420
firmly right there but here's the thing

815
00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:12,599
if um the switch was flipped back in

816
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:15,240
2017 somebody told the New York Times

817
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,859
and the rest of the media and Fox News

818
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,200
and CNN and the BBC that it's okay to

819
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:22,320
talk about UFOs now it let's go with the

820
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:24,300
reporting and don't play The X-Files

821
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:26,940
music I think that was pretty pretty

822
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,180
obvious right and and and and that

823
00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:33,839
switch was flipped it then somebody's

824
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,359
flipped that switch the other way yeah

825
00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:39,119
that's right uh they they have flipped

826
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:41,339
the switch the other way but that one of

827
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:44,460
my subscribers makes a point here he's

828
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:47,099
actually is a scientist himself he says

829
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,839
I do see a change in the scientific

830
00:37:52,609 --> 00:37:50,640
Community when it comes to this issue

831
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:52,619
yes there seems to be an openness to

832
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:54,420
understanding these experiences versus

833
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:56,760
mocking them and he would know I mean

834
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,740
he's in the scientific community and

835
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:00,720
he's I think he's an experiencer if I'm

836
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:03,720
not correct so are you asking for my

837
00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:06,480
comment no I'm just telling you that

838
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,820
here is a scientist who says that it's

839
00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:10,800
changing in this sciences and that's

840
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:14,040
very important because it's if if it if

841
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:16,619
the approach to it the attitude toward

842
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:20,460
toward it changes in the society The

843
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:22,380
public's already used to the idea that

844
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:23,880
there are aliens here they won't even be

845
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:26,820
surprised if the government admits it uh

846
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:30,359
the news the news media are much more

847
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,900
iffy because they've like for example

848
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,280
The Wall Street Journal the New York

849
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:37,020
Times have spent

850
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:41,220
more than 70 years claiming that this is

851
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,079
nonsense and it took a hell of a lot of

852
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,540
Courage for the New York Times to put

853
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,520
out the Tic Tac story in the gimbal

854
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:49,200
story and the other stories they have

855
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:52,200
put out about this they really that was

856
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:56,099
that was journalism at its absolute best

857
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,680
um and then the debunking stuff came

858
00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:59,520
along

859
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,980
and in the it was actually Silly Season

860
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:04,320
in the Wall Street Journal because they

861
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:07,020
had an opinion piece from a pilot he

862
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,520
said I'm in a pilot I've flown uh uh uh

863
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,920
you twos I've been a pilot for 40 years

864
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:16,079
I've never seen a flying saucer and not

865
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,540
only that item no a single pilot has

866
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:20,400
ever seen one yeah and I don't think

867
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:22,740
anyone what alone I don't think they

868
00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:25,380
exist of course what he doesn't know if

869
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,400
I may just finish yes the first UFO ever

870
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:31,260
seen by anybody was seen by a pilot

871
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:33,000
while flying his airplane yeah that's

872
00:39:37,150 --> 00:39:34,680
right and and and of course we're

873
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:37,160
talking about Kenneth Arnold right and

874
00:39:44,290 --> 00:39:40,380
he when I read that line that you just

875
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:44,300
read to me my blood boiled because

876
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:47,940
that's that is a complete load of crap

877
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,240
that pilot isn't telling the truth and

878
00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:53,520
not I don't think she is probably no I

879
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:55,500
don't they're just wrong it's there's a

880
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,020
difference between being wrong and lying

881
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:00,720
no I think he's lying he might be lying

882
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:03,960
but he's certainly an idiot yeah here's

883
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:07,140
an idiot like obvious idiot gets a big

884
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:10,380
play in the Wall Street Journal and the

885
00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:13,619
reason and that happened is every editor

886
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:16,859
on that editorial staff knows that the

887
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:19,500
journal has made a Generations long

888
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,260
commitment to this being nonsense and

889
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:24,240
they would very much like that to be

890
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:25,079
true

891
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:29,940
times

892
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,680
was willing to open its door to this

893
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:36,960
even though they had made essentially

894
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,660
the same commitment over the years

895
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:42,480
so that that credit where credit is due

896
00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:45,000
then they proceed to publish this

897
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:47,099
idiotic Julian Burns story that I was

898
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:49,140
talking about earlier right which which

899
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:51,480
has you know if you read the stories

900
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:55,560
that were uh Ralph Blumenthal and uh

901
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,339
Leslie Kane and uh their colleague

902
00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:00,480
published

903
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:02,579
there's all kinds of quotes there's

904
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:05,700
attributions everything every eye is

905
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:08,460
dotted and every T is crossed then you

906
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:11,640
get to this new story and there's not a

907
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:14,220
single person even quoted I mean he

908
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:16,140
could have just written it himself it's

909
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:18,540
an opinion piece it's an opinion an

910
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,520
opinion piece yeah but it got published

911
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,839
as a news story

912
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:24,560
and that as soon as I saw that I thought

913
00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:27,780
this is being done by someone this is

914
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:29,960
not this is not

915
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,599
a reporter wouldn't just do this and

916
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:35,640
this wouldn't get past an editorial desk

917
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:39,119
unless someone is saying this has to be

918
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:41,839
published someone high up in the company

919
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:44,520
and unfortunately I think that happened

920
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,460
I mean I can't see how it unless it was

921
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:49,680
just considered too too unimportant and

922
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:51,300
no one really looked at it

923
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,380
Julian Barnes um every time I have uh

924
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:57,359
brought up his name not only with Cass

925
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,900
but in in conversation uh with uh my

926
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:01,680
friends

927
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:03,960
they always you know Julia Martin is a

928
00:42:07,810 --> 00:42:05,400
pretty good writer he's like you know

929
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:07,820
you know he's pretty good you know what

930
00:42:16,849 --> 00:42:11,460
that that piece when you read through

931
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:16,859
that it is so slanted and is uh uh if

932
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:19,859
you put it on the editorial page and

933
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:21,960
leave it like that I've got no problems

934
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,060
with that no problem but not as a news

935
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:25,920
story it wasn't a news story he wasn't

936
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:29,760
reporting on anything no and uh so we

937
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:32,280
shall see though

938
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:34,500
I'm getting an echo coming back from you

939
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:38,220
uh from your speakers you are yeah they

940
00:42:41,089 --> 00:42:39,900
might be up a little too loud

941
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:41,099
okay

942
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:43,260
just a little too loud Whitley you're

943
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:44,400
still getting it

944
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:49,740
uh and a little bit not as bad well okay

945
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:52,380
um no that's okay let's let's stay on

946
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:55,320
this how important

947
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,220
um is it these days for uh you know

948
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,920
getting back to like Edward R morrow or

949
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,079
you know reporting the news and the

950
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:07,020
facts and and taking life serious

951
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:10,619
instead of you know having these opinion

952
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,220
networks uh make comments uh on things

953
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:17,160
instead of reporting the facts

954
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:20,940
well you know before Project Blue Book

955
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,680
there was a lot of good reporting on

956
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,000
this subject

957
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:25,680
there was a lot of bad reporting but

958
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:27,060
there was also a lot of good reporting

959
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:30,119
on the subject including in the times

960
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,940
um but then blue book came out

961
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,560
and the

962
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:36,960
summary at the beginning

963
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,540
said there was nothing to any of it

964
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,040
what

965
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:43,920
it didn't say was that there were over a

966
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:46,680
hundred unsolved cases

967
00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:51,060
and inside the body of the report

968
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,460
but the media jumped they no one read

969
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:55,760
the report they just read that summary

970
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,859
as I'm sure the

971
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,680
people who wrote it knew would happen

972
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:04,079
and the whole story of there's nothing

973
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:05,520
in it went around the world the same

974
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,260
thing happened when

975
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,560
the crop circles when Doug and Dave

976
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:12,420
showed up with their boards on their

977
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:16,079
feet and that childish silly story that

978
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,560
no one in their no no mature adult would

979
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:21,540
believe for a minute

980
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:24,599
and it went all around the world I will

981
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:27,420
never forget the tone of voice of the

982
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:30,660
NPR reporting reporter talking about it

983
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:34,319
with laughter in her voice or his voice

984
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:37,380
and I thought to myself Boya

985
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:40,980
talk about the blind leading the blind

986
00:44:44,569 --> 00:44:42,420
and I

987
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:44,579
wondered

988
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:47,640
this is before anything happened to me

989
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,180
but I wondered why do they care

990
00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:53,040
at all

991
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:56,339
why do they why are they so eager to

992
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,020
debunk this because it's just to say

993
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:00,780
it's simply fascinating and there's no

994
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,960
reason to attack it like this

995
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,760
I didn't get it at the time and I

996
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:07,520
actually still don't I I don't either

997
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:11,460
when those when the film came out uh on

998
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:15,480
the news of those two doofuses right out

999
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:17,640
you know with the with the rope and the

1000
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:19,800
the thing and they're taking this and

1001
00:45:25,569 --> 00:45:23,700
you're away those guys didn't make those

1002
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:25,579
crop circles

1003
00:45:32,569 --> 00:45:29,640
no stop with that but yet they allowed

1004
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:32,579
it uh to to spread around the worlds I

1005
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,400
mean it dominated the press and it and

1006
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,680
it won the day because the you asked the

1007
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,599
average person about crop circles and

1008
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:42,720
they think they're all fakes to this day

1009
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:46,440
when in fact still to this day many of

1010
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:49,200
them aren't fakes and in fact not a lot

1011
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,700
of them that show up now are fakes

1012
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:53,099
because the bloom is off the rose you

1013
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:55,319
can't make money with crop circles

1014
00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:58,200
anymore because nobody shows up uh the

1015
00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:00,540
whoever wanted to debunk the crop

1016
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:03,480
circles has succeeded in that you know

1017
00:46:07,069 --> 00:46:04,980
in other words it used to be farmers

1018
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:07,079
were paying some people to go out in

1019
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:09,660
their fields and and make crop

1020
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:12,180
formations so that they could put up a

1021
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:14,460
donation box and get people to come into

1022
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:16,680
the field and make a lot more money than

1023
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,940
they would make on the wheat that had

1024
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,920
been pushed down

1025
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:21,900
um but that's over there's nobody doing

1026
00:46:26,089 --> 00:46:23,099
that anymore

1027
00:46:29,530 --> 00:46:26,099
and yet there's still crop circles

1028
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:29,540
appearing but here's the question

1029
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:32,520
why and it turned out that Doug and Dave

1030
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:34,380
apparently had connections to the

1031
00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:36,300
Central Intelligence Agency that's right

1032
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:38,099
why

1033
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:40,260
in the world

1034
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:45,420
did the CIA care in any way whatsoever

1035
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,020
about crop formations appearing in the

1036
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,599
fields of Wiltshire in England why did

1037
00:46:57,849 --> 00:46:54,000
they care so much that they would run

1038
00:47:02,270 --> 00:46:57,859
out and organize a highly efficient

1039
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:02,280
debunking program that went around the

1040
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:07,670
the uh what was up I mean why why do

1041
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,960
they care about that right

1042
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:11,760
I don't get it right right right right

1043
00:47:16,609 --> 00:47:13,740
there's something behind there's some

1044
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:16,619
sign there's a secret behind the secrets

1045
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:19,740
that we don't know that scares somebody

1046
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:22,859
very badly that is that is the reality

1047
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:25,619
of this okay why is it

1048
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:27,960
um and uh before the break I'm gonna ask

1049
00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:29,940
you a question that I've wondered about

1050
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:31,500
for a long time

1051
00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:36,800
um why is it that this is about modern

1052
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:39,900
reporting uh you know from pilots in the

1053
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:41,880
military they're they're only focused on

1054
00:47:48,010 --> 00:47:44,880
that these 144 cases another 200 have

1055
00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:48,020
come in these recent things since 2021

1056
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:51,300
and and again you know going back to low

1057
00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:52,619
hanging fruit

1058
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:54,440
uh that

1059
00:48:02,030 --> 00:47:58,680
why is it Whitley that an Air Force case

1060
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,040
like bent Waters rendelshim where you've

1061
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:03,839
got Jim peniston you've got Charles halt

1062
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:05,579
you've got John Burroughs they're all

1063
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:08,339
alive they can all Testify the paperwork

1064
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:10,859
is there everything is stated all of the

1065
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:13,140
medical records are there and it's it's

1066
00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:15,300
right they don't want to go and check

1067
00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:17,240
that out

1068
00:48:23,050 --> 00:48:20,099
there are other cases here that are very

1069
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:23,060
very important that are also military

1070
00:48:28,849 --> 00:48:25,560
and in their backyard that was in the

1071
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:28,859
United Kingdom and right and and they're

1072
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:36,050
that amazes me

1073
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:39,660
and it it's it's the case it is the

1074
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:40,500
truth

1075
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,240
and you know I what I see here

1076
00:48:48,589 --> 00:48:47,040
is people who are scared of something

1077
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:48,599
that

1078
00:48:55,329 --> 00:48:52,800
they don't want to talk about at all and

1079
00:49:00,650 --> 00:48:55,339
who don't know what to do basically

1080
00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:00,660
there's there's an inconsistency

1081
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:04,859
and a like the Air Force is protecting

1082
00:49:08,569 --> 00:49:07,260
itself clearly that's what all the

1083
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:08,579
debunking is about and the reason

1084
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:10,760
they're protecting themselves is simple

1085
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:13,560
they are charged with protecting us from

1086
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:15,960
threats from above and this is a threat

1087
00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:17,700
from above and they can't protect us

1088
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,339
from it so instead of admitting that

1089
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:22,920
they're saying it's ridiculous it

1090
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,920
doesn't exist these people are all nuts

1091
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:28,079
or being silent

1092
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,119
because all through the Tic Tac and all

1093
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,640
the period of disclosure and openness

1094
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:35,280
and so forth that went on the Air Force

1095
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:37,140
remained entirely silent

1096
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,240
and now the Air Force is I think gaining

1097
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:41,520
the upper hand again I think it is

1098
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,040
probably opening up to people behind

1099
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,280
closed doors in the Congress and in um

1100
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:48,960
in the uh

1101
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:54,540
uh in uh the uh higher levels of DOD and

1102
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,700
saying that this is a problem and you

1103
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:59,040
know what I don't blame them I don't

1104
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:01,560
blame them at all because I don't think

1105
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:02,940
they are responsible we're always

1106
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:06,660
blaming our guys for this you know and

1107
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,000
that's like the dog is some jerks

1108
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:11,700
kicking a dog with a boot the dog's not

1109
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:14,040
interested in The Jerk the dog's biting

1110
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:15,060
the boot

1111
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:22,920
keeping its secrets and but who's who's

1112
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:25,020
wearing the boot

1113
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:29,099
is very simple the answer is that would

1114
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:33,119
be the visitors they are wearing the

1115
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,500
boot and in them in my new book I go

1116
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:40,319
through in great detail

1117
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:45,960
just how they induced this secrecy from

1118
00:50:54,589 --> 00:50:50,099
the very beginning in the late 40s

1119
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:54,599
I in exactly how they did it they did it

1120
00:50:59,890 --> 00:50:58,380
to us and if we want to get out from

1121
00:51:03,650 --> 00:50:59,900
under

1122
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,660
this we got to quit biting the boot and

1123
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:05,880
figure out how to work together with the

1124
00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:09,599
boot so that we can get it the we can

1125
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:11,460
understand

1126
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:14,700
what to do to make it to enable it to

1127
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:16,140
stop having to kick us because that's

1128
00:51:20,329 --> 00:51:17,280
what it's doing

1129
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:20,339
the the we gotta we gotta we gotta have

1130
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:24,000
a completely new attitude toward our own

1131
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:25,079
people

1132
00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:27,900
and to understand that they have been

1133
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:30,359
put in a situation where they have no

1134
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,700
choice but to keep this Secret

1135
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:35,280
but it's not their fault

1136
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:38,280
I know I'm this is total heresy but it

1137
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:40,200
happens to be my opinion and I'm I'm

1138
00:51:44,089 --> 00:51:42,540
pretty sure I'm right of course anyone

1139
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:44,099
who knows me knows I'm already always

1140
00:51:48,250 --> 00:51:46,140
pretty sure I'm right even when I'm

1141
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,260
right which I generally am

1142
00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:52,079
okay so if we take that

1143
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:54,540
um and and I agree with you but if we

1144
00:51:59,470 --> 00:51:57,480
back up and we go to

1145
00:52:05,270 --> 00:51:59,480
um 1966

1146
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,280
1967 and 68 where you had in 66 uh well

1147
00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:06,720
there were sightings all over the place

1148
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:10,619
but we had uh the now famous Infamous I

1149
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:13,740
should say uh swamp gas uh incident in

1150
00:52:18,190 --> 00:52:16,200
uh which was a product of Project Blue

1151
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:18,200
Book and J Allen heineck in Michigan

1152
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:21,000
Gerald she regretted until his dying day

1153
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:23,220
that he never said that absolutely and

1154
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:25,980
then on the heels of that the Air Force

1155
00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:27,900
knew

1156
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:30,059
um at that time that this was something

1157
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:34,319
that uh uh they needed to absolutely

1158
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:37,079
stop the conversation about that's it

1159
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:38,940
this is not being talked about anymore

1160
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,460
in the public so they do the Condon they

1161
00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:42,960
bring you know they do everything up in

1162
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:44,579
Boulder Colorado they have the

1163
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:46,980
commission they write the report and

1164
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,640
then a year later 1969 at now that that

1165
00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:52,440
condom reports that ah nothing to see

1166
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:54,900
here that all page chills on that by the

1167
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,140
way and so they knew the opinions

1168
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:00,480
anybody that was involved with Condon at

1169
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:03,000
the time that that had an open mind

1170
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,300
about uh UFOs and what was going on they

1171
00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:08,880
were aced they were they were taken off

1172
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:14,099
so um and then 1969 uh the Air Force had

1173
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:16,500
the tools with Condon and everything

1174
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:20,040
else and swamp gas to say nothing to see

1175
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:22,440
here we're closing down Blue Book right

1176
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:25,619
and and it that that has been the case

1177
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,460
ever since since nineteen 69. so as

1178
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:31,200
close they could have handled it

1179
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:33,059
differently back then that was the

1180
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:35,579
approach that they took uh with Condon

1181
00:53:39,470 --> 00:53:37,619
and then of course a closing Project

1182
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:39,480
Blue Book but it could have been a

1183
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:41,579
different story today it could have

1184
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:44,339
absolutely been different now the Air

1185
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:48,480
Force has to go and and undo uh 50 years

1186
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:51,180
of bad faith and it's it's it's it's a

1187
00:53:55,069 --> 00:53:52,859
very difficult position that they put

1188
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:55,079
them I don't see how they can yeah and

1189
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:57,000
you know the abduction started

1190
00:54:04,370 --> 00:53:59,160
with Betty and Bernie Hill

1191
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:04,380
I but I think that was in 63. 61. 61. so

1192
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:06,540
they already knew that was happening

1193
00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:09,240
when they debunked this

1194
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:10,500
and

1195
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,740
therefore knew that what was happening

1196
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:19,040
they couldn't stop

1197
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:24,660
so that and and I have a feeling that

1198
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:28,260
part of the reason for the abductions

1199
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:32,640
was so that the Air Force would keep its

1200
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,140
trap shut

1201
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:36,180
I think that there I think that that's

1202
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:38,819
what I was talking about a minute ago

1203
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:41,940
this was orchestrated by them from the

1204
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:44,700
outside the secrecy that we live under

1205
00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:49,760
now in this was created by the visitors

1206
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:53,579
using skilled social engineering and

1207
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:55,859
they are very skilled at Social

1208
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:57,300
Engineering

1209
00:55:02,089 --> 00:55:00,180
that is quite clear okay we're going to

1210
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:02,099
take a break right here uh Willie but I

1211
00:55:08,569 --> 00:55:06,480
wanted to ask you a question okay

1212
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:08,579
um I saw your post the other day and it

1213
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:11,099
got me thinking uh that communion was

1214
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:13,020
listed as one of the great science

1215
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:15,480
fiction films of of all time right made

1216
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:16,980
the list one of the top 10 lists or

1217
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:19,380
something top 10 lists yeah and uh very

1218
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:21,720
very you know you've had your own

1219
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:23,700
comments about the movie over the years

1220
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:27,240
I personally enjoy it and I also have

1221
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:29,700
the director's cut with all of your

1222
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:31,079
interviews

1223
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:33,480
um that were done uh behind the scenes

1224
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:35,460
uh during the filming of the movie which

1225
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,520
were quite compelling but and you were

1226
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,559
very dashing you were Dashing Young Man

1227
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:43,200
uh back then but yeah but dashed away

1228
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,780
unfortunately but I wanted to ask you

1229
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:47,280
this

1230
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:51,599
there that scene when uh uh Christopher

1231
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:54,599
comes into his house uh you

1232
00:55:59,530 --> 00:55:57,540
um uh Christopher Walken uh with guns of

1233
00:56:02,829 --> 00:55:59,540
Blazing right and shoots up the house

1234
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:02,839
did you shoot up your house no I didn't

1235
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:05,940
uh and

1236
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,040
was afraid that I would and uh she no

1237
00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:12,720
but that never went that far I never

1238
00:56:16,790 --> 00:56:14,339
fired the gun in the house

1239
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:16,800
I never fired the gun at all in fact not

1240
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,800
inside or outside but I but I certainly

1241
00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:22,319
patrolled with it that is certain and

1242
00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:24,660
most assuredly patrolled with that big

1243
00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:27,900
old mother Benelli Riot gun

1244
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:32,579
with 10 slugs in it yeah I mean it was a

1245
00:56:36,049 --> 00:56:34,260
that was a major weapon you could have

1246
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:36,059
destroyed a car with that thing yeah

1247
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:39,000
probably yeah probably you have to have

1248
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,180
your shoulder your shoulder would have

1249
00:56:48,109 --> 00:56:45,119
dribbled out from under your skin turned

1250
00:56:50,210 --> 00:56:48,119
to soup so that was artistic license by

1251
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:50,220
the screenwriter and the director yeah

1252
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:52,200
well I mean they wanted to make they

1253
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:54,180
they needed a more dramatic scene I may

1254
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,980
have even written that scene I I'm not

1255
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:58,559
sure okay you know they need I mean you

1256
00:57:02,809 --> 00:57:00,900
know it's a movie they need drama and

1257
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:02,819
you know you can't have him going around

1258
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,619
outside and then his wife says oh you

1259
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,000
shouldn't do that and so he stops

1260
00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:09,119
there's no drama there

1261
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,660
um but if you knew Anne and she said

1262
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:14,700
stop doing something you're doing

1263
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:16,380
you stopped

1264
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:19,380
yeah well it was definitely yeah yeah it

1265
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,660
was her house and she was the she was

1266
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:23,520
the she was the boss of her own house

1267
00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:27,540
it's it's such an intense scene yeah

1268
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:29,579
it's a very intense scene it's a very

1269
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,520
intense you know I I I my disappointment

1270
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:35,280
in the film has to do with two things uh

1271
00:57:38,770 --> 00:57:37,079
one is the special effects and they they

1272
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:38,780
just didn't have enough money

1273
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:43,500
and uh for various reasons and two is uh

1274
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,180
I didn't like Christopher Walken with

1275
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:47,760
the camera on himself all the time

1276
00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:50,280
um and uh because it made me look like a

1277
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:53,339
like a totally narcissistic idiot and

1278
00:57:59,809 --> 00:57:54,599
I'm not

1279
00:58:03,650 --> 00:57:59,819
going to go down the idiot Road at all

1280
00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:03,660
you can almost leave that one lie but uh

1281
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:07,500
uh so but basically the film works it

1282
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,200
does work it works very well it does

1283
00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:13,440
communicate the emotional intensity of

1284
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,020
of having this happen to you very well

1285
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,720
and how it affects the whole family it's

1286
00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:21,599
it's quite clear about that have you

1287
00:58:25,790 --> 00:58:24,540
seen the outtakes have you do you

1288
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:25,800
remember them

1289
00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:28,500
probably I've seen him I've saw I saw

1290
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:30,420
the I was there when the film was made I

1291
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:32,700
was there every day right right in the

1292
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:34,200
outtakes

1293
00:58:42,289 --> 00:58:39,000
um the scenes of uh Christopher Walken

1294
00:58:45,049 --> 00:58:42,299
uh with the hypnosis sessions you know

1295
00:58:47,329 --> 00:58:45,059
in in the doctor's uh living room in

1296
00:58:50,530 --> 00:58:47,339
front of the fireplace

1297
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:50,540
um the uh you know

1298
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:52,920
Christopher in the outtakes you have to

1299
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,900
go and see them everybody if you get an

1300
00:59:01,130 --> 00:58:56,640
opportunity to do it

1301
00:59:05,809 --> 00:59:01,140
he's an actor right he was in dude he

1302
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:05,819
was in that right he he was I mean he he

1303
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:08,700
did did definitely get into it

1304
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:11,099
uh I liked him a lot actually he was a

1305
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,559
lot of fun to be with we paled around a

1306
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:16,079
lot and when the film was on location in

1307
00:59:20,089 --> 00:59:18,119
New York we had a lot of fun

1308
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:20,099
we just really did I enjoyed him and

1309
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,180
it's too bad it it didn't last but uh as

1310
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,400
a friendship but it didn't okay every

1311
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,319
time again after the movie was over when

1312
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:30,240
we come back we'll talk about uh those

1313
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:32,220
special effects I do want to get your

1314
00:59:36,490 --> 00:59:34,260
opinion on that this is Fade to Black

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all right welcome back I'm your host

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Jimmy church tonight Whitley streber is

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with us calling the show new book New

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Year because that's exactly where we are

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at it's you know it is uh December 21st

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01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:12,299
today it's winter solstice of course and

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uh where three we're three days away

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01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:18,660
Whitley from uh Christmas Eve man happy

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01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:21,000
hour wow

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01:03:26,569 --> 01:03:23,940
pretty nuts pretty nuts okay I want to I

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01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:26,579
want to stay in the flow uh we were

1402
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:28,140
talking about communion and you brought

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01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,660
up the question of special effects I

1404
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:32,880
want to make this one comment again you

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01:03:37,309 --> 01:03:35,460
know what what you and I have have not

1406
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:37,319
done in the past we've never done a deep

1407
01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:39,420
dive into communion I've let ever not

1408
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:40,920
the movie I'm talking about the book

1409
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:43,380
I've always let everybody else do that

1410
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:45,720
and you've done so many interviews over

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01:03:50,690 --> 01:03:48,780
the years uh about it but I do have

1412
01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:50,700
specific uh questions that I've I've

1413
01:03:57,289 --> 01:03:54,660
never asked you and so uh the special

1414
01:04:00,370 --> 01:03:57,299
effects part I think that's a that's a

1415
01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:00,380
great point that you brought up because

1416
01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:04,140
the scene the first time that we see uh

1417
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:05,819
the inside of the ship

1418
01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:08,579
all right now

1419
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:12,900
um I was always okay with it but when

1420
01:04:22,430 --> 01:04:16,859
you look at it and you see the ship

1421
01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:22,440
itself and you see the uh the beings

1422
01:04:28,329 --> 01:04:25,020
let's just say that

1423
01:04:32,030 --> 01:04:28,339
um and and what is going on you can tell

1424
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,040
that you know it's puppets or it's small

1425
01:04:38,569 --> 01:04:34,559
people in in in costume whatever

1426
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,579
whatever it is and the paper mache walls

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01:04:44,089 --> 01:04:41,520
and and the smoke machines right okay

1428
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:44,099
and some lighting we all see that but

1429
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:47,880
but I I that never bothered me it was

1430
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:51,540
the content and the intense situation

1431
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:54,240
that you found yourself in and so the

1432
01:05:01,789 --> 01:04:57,780
special effects uh they never bothered

1433
01:05:03,170 --> 01:05:01,799
me but but from my standpoint I knew

1434
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:03,180
what was supposed to have happened

1435
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,180
that's my queen what we wanted to happen

1436
01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:08,880
we had planned for and couldn't happen

1437
01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:10,380
because they had no money they didn't

1438
01:05:17,089 --> 01:05:13,799
even pay me for my book actually in

1439
01:05:18,650 --> 01:05:17,099
Legally I own communion outright because

1440
01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:18,660
they don't own they don't own the

1441
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:21,180
license they didn't pay for it

1442
01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:22,440
now

1443
01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:25,079
um so what I don't get any money for it

1444
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:27,299
at all I've never asked you this

1445
01:05:34,609 --> 01:05:31,440
question we we know the visual that is

1446
01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:34,619
there in the movie but how can you

1447
01:05:42,049 --> 01:05:38,760
describe uh that that scene the the real

1448
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:44,210
when I was in the room with the visitors

1449
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,520
yes yes well first of all I I thought I

1450
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:49,680
was in a tent

1451
01:05:54,349 --> 01:05:52,559
I I did not it I certainly didn't think

1452
01:05:55,730 --> 01:05:54,359
I was in any kind of a flying saucer or

1453
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:55,740
even above ground

1454
01:06:01,970 --> 01:05:59,280
I had gone up in the air

1455
01:06:05,089 --> 01:06:01,980
which was very disorienting

1456
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,099
I shot up in the air all of a sudden

1457
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,960
and

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01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:08,640
uh

1459
01:06:15,410 --> 01:06:13,020
but it seemed to me that there was some

1460
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,420
kind of a dream it was a dream yeah I

1461
01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:17,520
thought it was dreaming and and then

1462
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:19,740
when it became more

1463
01:06:24,109 --> 01:06:21,720
clear

1464
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,119
I thought it was a tent

1465
01:06:29,630 --> 01:06:26,640
and it was like a tattoo it wasn't a

1466
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,640
there's nothing fancy about it if you

1467
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:31,200
told me that the walls were made of

1468
01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:33,839
canvas I would have not been surprised

1469
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,940
and you know when you talk about the

1470
01:06:40,370 --> 01:06:37,920
Roswell craft

1471
01:06:43,490 --> 01:06:40,380
they talk about balsa wood struts and

1472
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:43,500
very thin metal and you know that that

1473
01:06:47,870 --> 01:06:45,240
was sort of what it was like it was just

1474
01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:47,880
flimsy and thin I mean it was I I was on

1475
01:06:52,910 --> 01:06:49,020
a cot

1476
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:52,920
and these I couldn't function

1477
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:55,980
in other words I was like being in a in

1478
01:07:01,069 --> 01:06:58,319
a nightmare where you you know you you

1479
01:07:02,510 --> 01:07:01,079
can't run and stuff like that right it

1480
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:02,520
was that was what it was like and that's

1481
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:03,960
what I thought I was having was a

1482
01:07:06,829 --> 01:07:05,640
terrible nightmare an extraordinary

1483
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:06,839
nightmare

1484
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,839
and um

1485
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,760
uh and it was dirty I mean there was

1486
01:07:16,130 --> 01:07:13,440
clothes lying on the floor

1487
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,140
could have even been mine and it was uh

1488
01:07:21,710 --> 01:07:18,079
there was no sense of

1489
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:21,720
spaceship or no Flash Gordon effects or

1490
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,180
anything it was not like being in uh

1491
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:25,920
Star Trek at all

1492
01:07:31,730 --> 01:07:28,680
it was just totally ordinary like being

1493
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:31,740
a little a little tent full of these

1494
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,260
weird spider-like beings jumping around

1495
01:07:43,490 --> 01:07:36,079
and

1496
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:43,500
they they jacked they jacked me up with

1497
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:47,280
this uh rectal probe this which was a an

1498
01:07:51,890 --> 01:07:49,020
electro stimulation device that

1499
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,900
simulates the nerve that causes an

1500
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,039
erection and you can hear me in the

1501
01:07:57,230 --> 01:07:55,200
hypnosis saying say you know where did

1502
01:08:01,370 --> 01:07:57,240
that come from I mean I I didn't know

1503
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,380
how I it was a circumstance under which

1504
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,599
it would not be expected for one to get

1505
01:08:07,309 --> 01:08:05,760
an erection let me put it that way there

1506
01:08:10,990 --> 01:08:07,319
was nobody around there who was

1507
01:08:13,490 --> 01:08:11,000
attractive Enough by any means right so

1508
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,500
uh you know there I was with this happen

1509
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:15,720
and then they took my semen right out of

1510
01:08:20,809 --> 01:08:18,480
my body they ejaculated me and

1511
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:20,819
uh

1512
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,620
you know Jimmy I mean that's the most

1513
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:24,480
haunting part of all of this

1514
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:26,940
and I think that's the core reason why

1515
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:29,699
the Air Force doesn't want this out

1516
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:33,359
because it's not just me it's thousands

1517
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:35,880
of people who are going to say my baby

1518
01:08:41,689 --> 01:08:38,339
my feet has disappeared and I wasn't

1519
01:08:43,010 --> 01:08:41,699
pregnant anymore or my semen they took

1520
01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:43,020
semen out of me and I don't know what

1521
01:08:46,669 --> 01:08:44,699
they did with it

1522
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:46,679
and um

1523
01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:48,239
that's rough stuff

1524
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:52,380
imagine

1525
01:08:59,809 --> 01:08:56,460
the uh Air Force Commanding General of

1526
01:09:02,329 --> 01:08:59,819
the Air Force of the or the uh or anyone

1527
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:02,339
in the dod saying well we're very sorry

1528
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:03,839
that this happened to these people and

1529
01:09:07,370 --> 01:09:05,160
we don't know what happened to their

1530
01:09:09,769 --> 01:09:07,380
sexual material and whether they have

1531
01:09:11,209 --> 01:09:09,779
children elsewhere or not or what

1532
01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:11,219
happened we don't know a thing about any

1533
01:09:14,269 --> 01:09:12,779
of it we're very sorry we couldn't do

1534
01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:14,279
anything about it

1535
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:16,259
they're not going to say that they'll

1536
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:18,600
never say it

1537
01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:22,080
did you ever say it okay so after all of

1538
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:24,359
that that's a very bad date by the way

1539
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:27,120
right and it's it's definitely a very

1540
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:29,520
bad day it was a bad day the worst state

1541
01:09:35,329 --> 01:09:32,279
you could possibly imagine and and then

1542
01:09:38,269 --> 01:09:35,339
after all of that in the movie uh watch

1543
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:38,279
your comment you guys dance

1544
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:40,920
no that's gut was made up by them I

1545
01:09:44,590 --> 01:09:43,440
that's not in my script either I did not

1546
01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:44,600
dance

1547
01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:47,100
there was no dancing there was no

1548
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:48,900
dancing at all they were there was no

1549
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:52,560
dancing no dancing now the um I'm not

1550
01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:54,840
making light of it everybody that's the

1551
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:57,420
movie Whitley is here I've always wanted

1552
01:10:03,169 --> 01:10:01,199
to know did did that thing end that way

1553
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:03,179
um my wife used to say that Whitley you

1554
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:05,940
you basically you dance like a bus

1555
01:10:10,970 --> 01:10:08,940
she she took me to dancing lessons at

1556
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:10,980
one point just so that she could get out

1557
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:14,000
on a floor once in a while without being

1558
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,719
without any up hurled onto her ass by

1559
01:10:23,689 --> 01:10:20,719
her dance partner

1560
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:23,699
dance like a bus that's not a compliment

1561
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:25,380
man you can't even it was not a

1562
01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:26,820
compliment no you can't turn that around

1563
01:10:31,729 --> 01:10:29,100
there's something positive in there

1564
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:31,739
um all of the descriptions uh not all

1565
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:37,199
but many of the descriptions of what is

1566
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,060
inside of these crafts

1567
01:10:44,330 --> 01:10:41,280
you always hear

1568
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:44,340
uh how clean it is how Stark it is the

1569
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:46,140
stainless steel comments the curved

1570
01:10:51,709 --> 01:10:48,000
walls no seams so this is a the

1571
01:10:53,930 --> 01:10:51,719
stainless steel appearance and it's it's

1572
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:53,940
uh you know hospital-like you know

1573
01:10:58,850 --> 01:10:55,739
atmosphere

1574
01:11:02,930 --> 01:10:58,860
um and you're telling us that there was

1575
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:02,940
clothes on the floor right it's so I

1576
01:11:08,030 --> 01:11:04,980
remember something on the floor that

1577
01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:08,040
looked to me like clothes right right so

1578
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:09,960
the opposite of clean

1579
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:12,960
it was a it was a lived in place for

1580
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:13,980
sure

1581
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:16,800
uh and and um

1582
01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:19,739
I don't know why everybody else got a

1583
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:21,860
higher grade flying saucers than I did

1584
01:11:27,770 --> 01:11:24,480
but you know they're all getting the

1585
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:27,780
Maseratis and the and the and the Teslas

1586
01:11:34,189 --> 01:11:31,679
and I got the I got the 1954 Ford but

1587
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:34,199
but here's why I think it's important

1588
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,500
okay so and there's a reason why I want

1589
01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:39,360
everybody to understand

1590
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,699
uh why I'm asking the questions this way

1591
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:43,920
one of the things I've always said over

1592
01:11:52,090 --> 01:11:48,420
the years Whitley is although I'm not

1593
01:11:55,490 --> 01:11:52,100
saying it's not true but I have an issue

1594
01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:55,500
with somebody that says well you know it

1595
01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:58,440
there was a seat a small seat for a

1596
01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:00,060
small being

1597
01:12:04,490 --> 01:12:02,580
and and that I'm like well what else was

1598
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:04,500
there well nothing

1599
01:12:10,729 --> 01:12:07,620
so you're gonna travel for a million

1600
01:12:13,310 --> 01:12:10,739
years right across the universe and

1601
01:12:18,110 --> 01:12:13,320
you're not going to have a bed a pool a

1602
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:18,120
a a bedroom uh a TV set some type of

1603
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:19,980
entertainment how about you know

1604
01:12:26,570 --> 01:12:23,280
everything a a kitchen you're only going

1605
01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:26,580
to sit in this seat right for a million

1606
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:29,460
years because they're not traveling

1607
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,800
across the universe for millions of

1608
01:12:36,770 --> 01:12:32,880
years

1609
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,780
at all and I don't think they travel any

1610
01:12:42,770 --> 01:12:38,880
less significant distance in these craft

1611
01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:42,780
that we see uh I think that they step

1612
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:45,480
from their place to our place in a

1613
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:49,800
single step but your craft was lived in

1614
01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:52,140
yeah absolutely it was lived in and

1615
01:12:56,570 --> 01:12:54,179
that's because they I think they have

1616
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:56,580
missions here and they're here for a

1617
01:13:02,689 --> 01:13:00,000
while and then they leave right and and

1618
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:02,699
uh I think that that coming and going

1619
01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:05,600
happens under the sea

1620
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:09,480
underwater under I mean under in in

1621
01:13:16,669 --> 01:13:12,719
underground places under the uh

1622
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:16,679
Antarctic and on and out in space I

1623
01:13:21,890 --> 01:13:18,840
think they use wormholes as their means

1624
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:21,900
of movement between places or what we

1625
01:13:28,729 --> 01:13:24,300
would think of as wormholes and they

1626
01:13:32,090 --> 01:13:28,739
somehow have figured out how to how to

1627
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,100
navigate that because it's one thing to

1628
01:13:37,490 --> 01:13:35,280
create a wormhole that brings two parts

1629
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:37,500
of the universe together for a

1630
01:13:44,110 --> 01:13:41,340
nanosecond and another thing entirely to

1631
01:13:46,250 --> 01:13:44,120
create one that brings

1632
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:46,260
my living room

1633
01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:49,260
and their living room together for a

1634
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:52,920
nanosecond and and they can walk across

1635
01:13:57,530 --> 01:13:55,440
but I think that's how they do it I do

1636
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:57,540
not I mean this is just a conjecture on

1637
01:14:02,030 --> 01:14:00,239
my part I don't have any proof but I

1638
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:02,040
don't see how it could be any other way

1639
01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:04,199
and when they're here they're here for

1640
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,540
Missions that last a period of time and

1641
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:08,159
they'd live where they work basically

1642
01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:13,440
yeah exactly so where is all of that I

1643
01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:16,020
think I'm just looking at it from uh

1644
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:21,060
just uh uh a very logical mindset right

1645
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:25,260
I'm just there is no cultural effect at

1646
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:26,040
all

1647
01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:29,040
you don't see no one talks about right

1648
01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:33,000
writing no one talks about pictures on

1649
01:14:37,610 --> 01:14:35,820
the walls Music Entertainment music

1650
01:14:40,669 --> 01:14:37,620
right

1651
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:40,679
any of that any of that

1652
01:14:45,530 --> 01:14:43,620
it's never mentioned because that's not

1653
01:14:49,490 --> 01:14:45,540
what they're that's not where you are

1654
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:49,500
you're not where they live except in my

1655
01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:52,560
case apparently I was I was in someone's

1656
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:54,420
bedroom is what it looked like or

1657
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:56,760
someone's it was like a tent someone had

1658
01:15:00,649 --> 01:14:58,380
camped out in a tent and I was in their

1659
01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:00,659
tent and that was why initially I

1660
01:15:05,930 --> 01:15:03,780
thought I was I was a criminal act I

1661
01:15:08,450 --> 01:15:05,940
thought I had been kidnapped and taken

1662
01:15:10,430 --> 01:15:08,460
out into attempt because I I just

1663
01:15:11,630 --> 01:15:10,440
completely discounted the idea that I

1664
01:15:14,270 --> 01:15:11,640
had remembered going up in the air

1665
01:15:16,729 --> 01:15:14,280
because to me that was that was part of

1666
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,739
the part of the hallucination I thought

1667
01:15:22,610 --> 01:15:19,199
I'd been drugged for a long time

1668
01:15:25,010 --> 01:15:22,620
uh and I'm still if someone could prove

1669
01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:25,020
to me that is what happened I would not

1670
01:15:34,729 --> 01:15:31,030
would that um

1671
01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:34,739
from an emotional standpoint

1672
01:15:42,350 --> 01:15:37,860
um would that how

1673
01:15:44,990 --> 01:15:42,360
would you take that if if if if the CIA

1674
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:45,000
right or you know the Air Force whoever

1675
01:15:57,420 --> 01:15:46,920
came out and said you know Whitley that

1676
01:16:02,450 --> 01:15:59,410
[Music]

1677
01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:02,460
would it surprise you there were so many

1678
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:05,580
claims uh when I say claims well here

1679
01:16:11,149 --> 01:16:07,860
would be the here would be my immediate

1680
01:16:14,090 --> 01:16:11,159
question what was your motive right what

1681
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,100
was your motive to cover you you you

1682
01:16:19,070 --> 01:16:16,800
wouldn't have picked a high profile

1683
01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:19,080
person like me if you were just studying

1684
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,100
people

1685
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:22,560
you you picked somebody who was gonna go

1686
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:25,440
out and talk about this what was your

1687
01:16:30,169 --> 01:16:26,520
motive

1688
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,179
to to get them to go out and talk about

1689
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,400
the very thing you don't want talked

1690
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:34,560
about right and that was what eventually

1691
01:16:41,209 --> 01:16:37,679
made me decide it wasn't us

1692
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:41,219
because there was nobody there

1693
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:45,120
the the initial possibility was in my

1694
01:16:50,330 --> 01:16:48,480
mind once I realized that it was not a

1695
01:16:52,610 --> 01:16:50,340
dream

1696
01:16:55,729 --> 01:16:52,620
um was that someone had done this to me

1697
01:16:57,890 --> 01:16:55,739
to try to drive me crazy because I had

1698
01:17:00,530 --> 01:16:57,900
published a book called War day and then

1699
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:00,540
Nature's end and I was doing things that

1700
01:17:05,870 --> 01:17:03,420
there were powerful people in and out of

1701
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,880
the government did not want done they

1702
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:07,440
didn't want those books

1703
01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:11,100
and uh I thought possibly that was what

1704
01:17:15,470 --> 01:17:12,300
had happened

1705
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:18,890
I I came to the to to the to the

1706
01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:20,640
realization

1707
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:22,980
that

1708
01:17:29,870 --> 01:17:27,540
something else had occurred

1709
01:17:32,810 --> 01:17:29,880
because I kept remembering this going up

1710
01:17:34,669 --> 01:17:32,820
in the air and the strange things that

1711
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:34,679
had been done to my body

1712
01:17:42,050 --> 01:17:37,920
something else had occurred and the

1713
01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:42,060
beings were so vividly real and

1714
01:17:45,970 --> 01:17:43,800
uh

1715
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:45,980
and then it turns out that bud Hopkins

1716
01:17:50,090 --> 01:17:48,239
had a lot of other people who had seen

1717
01:17:53,689 --> 01:17:50,100
the same thing

1718
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,699
it had similar experiences to me and yet

1719
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:55,679
I had had my experience where I had no

1720
01:18:08,450 --> 01:18:06,410
it's with the my lab uh uh events and

1721
01:18:09,530 --> 01:18:08,460
those that have come out and spoken

1722
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:09,540
about that

1723
01:18:15,250 --> 01:18:12,960
it if it always seemed to me I want your

1724
01:18:22,189 --> 01:18:15,260
opinion on this that

1725
01:18:24,649 --> 01:18:22,199
those were done as a copycat of a real

1726
01:18:29,149 --> 01:18:24,659
experience like your own

1727
01:18:30,430 --> 01:18:29,159
and so when you hear why why would the

1728
01:18:35,630 --> 01:18:30,440
government

1729
01:18:38,330 --> 01:18:35,640
uh go and and do something like that and

1730
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:38,340
and mess with somebody is it because

1731
01:18:42,649 --> 01:18:40,980
there's been a sighting in the area and

1732
01:18:46,370 --> 01:18:42,659
they need the cover-up or is there

1733
01:18:48,410 --> 01:18:46,380
another agenda uh involved because the

1734
01:18:49,850 --> 01:18:48,420
two are going on at the same time you

1735
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:49,860
have the real abductions you have the

1736
01:18:57,729 --> 01:18:51,780
real contact you have the real sightings

1737
01:19:03,649 --> 01:19:00,290
I've never been exposed to a my lab

1738
01:19:05,689 --> 01:19:03,659
event uh the closest I came was when the

1739
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,699
implant was put into my ear

1740
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:08,400
it was done by people two people man and

1741
01:19:12,290 --> 01:19:09,120
woman

1742
01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:12,300
and uh and there was people outside too

1743
01:19:17,689 --> 01:19:14,460
I could hear him talking at one point

1744
01:19:20,689 --> 01:19:17,699
so you know I think uh there's something

1745
01:19:22,510 --> 01:19:20,699
to Richard Dolan's Breakaway

1746
01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:22,520
civilization idea

1747
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:28,260
uh uh but uh the initial abduction was

1748
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:31,800
was an alien abduction I'm pretty sure

1749
01:19:36,169 --> 01:19:33,480
or it could have been some

1750
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:36,179
interdimensional thing or something else

1751
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:37,920
I mean I've never I never closed the

1752
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,780
door on other possibilities but that's

1753
01:19:43,790 --> 01:19:41,760
what it seemed like to me right right

1754
01:19:46,990 --> 01:19:43,800
right

1755
01:19:50,330 --> 01:19:47,000
um when we uh

1756
01:19:54,649 --> 01:19:50,340
I would talk about physics right and and

1757
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,659
physicist and and I'm this ties into

1758
01:19:59,570 --> 01:19:56,640
what we're talking about now but from

1759
01:20:03,890 --> 01:19:59,580
your comment earlier about from your

1760
01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:03,900
science friend right and and how that is

1761
01:20:10,669 --> 01:20:06,900
happening today uh and where scientists

1762
01:20:13,610 --> 01:20:10,679
now are are could care less I I believe

1763
01:20:18,350 --> 01:20:13,620
right and so when you're around somebody

1764
01:20:20,930 --> 01:20:18,360
like Avi Loeb and uh which I've you know

1765
01:20:24,110 --> 01:20:20,940
I've done dinner I've hung out with he's

1766
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:24,120
a very intensely smart person right and

1767
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:28,500
level of you know and you and I head of

1768
01:20:33,410 --> 01:20:30,120
the Department of astronomy at Harvard

1769
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,420
she's gonna be smart ran the black hole

1770
01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:35,520
initiative and program you know and and

1771
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,940
everything else so a very intensely

1772
01:20:45,410 --> 01:20:40,560
smart guy

1773
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:45,420
but he is on the same page as us and

1774
01:20:55,370 --> 01:20:52,669
ET visiting this planet yeah absolutely

1775
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:55,380
interesting he interviewed with me one

1776
01:21:02,890 --> 01:20:58,920
time and then would never come back so I

1777
01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:05,510
and he we didn't talk at all about

1778
01:21:11,410 --> 01:21:06,840
abductions

1779
01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:14,510
he um I think he has a complete open

1780
01:21:21,410 --> 01:21:18,420
mind he knows the phenomenon is real and

1781
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:21,420
and he's just got he's sitting on too

1782
01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:22,920
much information and then you have

1783
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:25,140
somebody like Gary Nolan where you've

1784
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:28,320
got Harvard and Stanford right and these

1785
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:32,400
two very intelligent phds

1786
01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:34,380
um very outspoken about these subjects

1787
01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:35,640
and I don't think it's ever been like

1788
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,780
this before

1789
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:39,120
well you know that's the thing that's so

1790
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:40,860
interesting is that these real Heavy

1791
01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:41,760
Hitters

1792
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:43,560
are on site

1793
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:46,560
and you know I know Gary very well we're

1794
01:21:52,610 --> 01:21:49,920
good friends and he's just adamant he

1795
01:21:56,090 --> 01:21:52,620
says you know I've got tenure I've got

1796
01:21:57,950 --> 01:21:56,100
the biggest lab at Stanford uh they're

1797
01:22:00,530 --> 01:21:57,960
not doing anything

1798
01:22:03,370 --> 01:22:00,540
to me I'm gonna do exactly what I want

1799
01:22:07,550 --> 01:22:03,380
to do and this is what I want to do

1800
01:22:09,410 --> 01:22:07,560
and it's only scientific interest he's

1801
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:09,420
he has a high level of scientific

1802
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:10,800
interest in this

1803
01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:15,960
and he's a very very smart man he knows

1804
01:22:21,290 --> 01:22:18,840
whereof he speaks he's like kit green I

1805
01:22:24,530 --> 01:22:21,300
mean he was with the CIA for years and

1806
01:22:26,030 --> 01:22:24,540
now he's in private practice and one of

1807
01:22:29,390 --> 01:22:26,040
the things you can count on is when you

1808
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:29,400
have physical issues because of this and

1809
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,380
I'm not the only one there's loads of

1810
01:22:35,450 --> 01:22:33,840
abductees can write him an email and he

1811
01:22:38,330 --> 01:22:35,460
will immediately get into it with you

1812
01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:38,340
and he has the experience of some of

1813
01:22:45,290 --> 01:22:42,840
knowing so much both on this side of the

1814
01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:45,300
classified fencing on the other side and

1815
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,860
he can really give you very good advice

1816
01:22:51,530 --> 01:22:48,719
medical advice about it

1817
01:22:52,430 --> 01:22:51,540
so you know those guys are invaluable to

1818
01:22:56,450 --> 01:22:52,440
us

1819
01:22:59,149 --> 01:22:56,460
so to to swing this around to where we

1820
01:23:02,630 --> 01:22:59,159
are now in the conversation with

1821
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:02,640
everything that you have experienced and

1822
01:23:11,330 --> 01:23:08,400
your ability to uh investigate and to uh

1823
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:11,340
try to figure out what's going on

1824
01:23:18,169 --> 01:23:14,340
um is is this confirmation of where

1825
01:23:22,250 --> 01:23:18,179
physics is today that there there are

1826
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:22,260
multiverses there is a a fifth sixth

1827
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:23,940
seventh eighth ninth tenth eleventh

1828
01:23:27,169 --> 01:23:25,679
Dimension

1829
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,179
um there's something else that is going

1830
01:23:34,490 --> 01:23:29,760
on at the quantum level does this

1831
01:23:36,410 --> 01:23:34,500
support all of your experiences if there

1832
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:36,420
is a Multiverse

1833
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:40,560
then it is a statistical certainty

1834
01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:43,199
that someone in it has learned to

1835
01:23:49,610 --> 01:23:45,060
navigate it

1836
01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:49,620
so if there is a Multiverse then it is

1837
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,980
certain that someone is here if the

1838
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,199
universe is just the physical universe

1839
01:23:59,149 --> 01:23:56,880
that's less certain

1840
01:24:01,370 --> 01:23:59,159
but uh

1841
01:24:07,490 --> 01:24:01,380
the uh

1842
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:11,290
I'm trying to figure out how to say this

1843
01:24:17,470 --> 01:24:14,640
it's quite possible I mean I've had some

1844
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:17,480
very strange

1845
01:24:21,950 --> 01:24:20,159
parallel universe like experiences that

1846
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:21,960
I went into in my book

1847
01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:24,719
um a new world pretty extensively up at

1848
01:24:29,209 --> 01:24:28,020
the Lakota Sioux reservation in South

1849
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:29,219
Dakota

1850
01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:32,760
and it was uh quite I mean the this was

1851
01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:34,920
a three-day period where when I closed

1852
01:24:41,689 --> 01:24:38,580
my eyes I could see in detail another

1853
01:24:44,630 --> 01:24:41,699
version of the place of of the place we

1854
01:24:45,890 --> 01:24:44,640
were in right down to if I went looked

1855
01:24:47,570 --> 01:24:45,900
down at the

1856
01:24:51,410 --> 01:24:47,580
ground

1857
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:51,420
I I would see one set of gravel and

1858
01:24:57,709 --> 01:24:54,120
little weeds and flowers

1859
01:24:59,390 --> 01:24:57,719
with my eyes closed and another set with

1860
01:25:01,729 --> 01:24:59,400
them opened

1861
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,739
and this went on for three days

1862
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:04,560
so yeah

1863
01:25:11,090 --> 01:25:07,260
uh the um

1864
01:25:13,250 --> 01:25:11,100
the there I think parallel universes

1865
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,260
exist I think there is another universe

1866
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,080
that's right here and there may be other

1867
01:25:21,229 --> 01:25:18,480
physical universes beyond the one we are

1868
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:21,239
in and so therefore I think I'm right

1869
01:25:26,090 --> 01:25:23,400
when I say statistically it's inevitable

1870
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:26,100
that someone from those universes will

1871
01:25:30,890 --> 01:25:28,560
be here and I'm also saying that this is

1872
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:30,900
why I think that that

1873
01:25:38,330 --> 01:25:34,980
um that uh wormholes are a primary means

1874
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,340
of of Transport because NASA has already

1875
01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:40,400
studied is studying wormholes

1876
01:25:45,370 --> 01:25:43,800
extensively as means of of travel and

1877
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:45,380
they're doing that for a simple reason

1878
01:25:50,570 --> 01:25:48,420
they know they're real I'm sure that's

1879
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:50,580
why they're doing it well and you saw

1880
01:25:56,510 --> 01:25:52,260
the press release right last week

1881
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:56,520
exactly yeah and and we also know that

1882
01:26:03,890 --> 01:26:00,960
the math of of a wormhole from here to a

1883
01:26:05,930 --> 01:26:03,900
parallel universe is a lot more viable

1884
01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:05,940
in terms of the amount of energy it

1885
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:09,480
suggests would be needed then moving uh

1886
01:26:14,689 --> 01:26:13,199
across this universe and he and it this

1887
01:26:16,970 --> 01:26:14,699
is a simple reason

1888
01:26:21,530 --> 01:26:16,980
if you if you think of the universe as

1889
01:26:24,649 --> 01:26:21,540
like a a big a big slab of metal

1890
01:26:26,990 --> 01:26:24,659
and there's one place on it over here on

1891
01:26:29,149 --> 01:26:27,000
the left and one place on the right and

1892
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,159
you want to go instantaneously between

1893
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,199
the two of them

1894
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,120
you have to bend the whole universe

1895
01:26:37,010 --> 01:26:34,800
until they touch

1896
01:26:38,930 --> 01:26:37,020
then you can move and then you and then

1897
01:26:41,689 --> 01:26:38,940
it comes snaps back again

1898
01:26:43,790 --> 01:26:41,699
the problem with that is very simple in

1899
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:43,800
order to bend the universe you obviously

1900
01:26:51,290 --> 01:26:46,800
must have access to more energy than it

1901
01:26:53,390 --> 01:26:51,300
contains Ergo a wormhole that moves from

1902
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:53,400
one place to another in this universe

1903
01:26:59,570 --> 01:26:56,639
maybe is impossible but if you're going

1904
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,580
to to penetrate from this universe to

1905
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,199
another universe

1906
01:27:07,729 --> 01:27:04,320
given that I did it without any

1907
01:27:09,850 --> 01:27:07,739
wormholes or technology of any kind and

1908
01:27:12,410 --> 01:27:09,860
as usual in the Whitley case

1909
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,420
blundered into it or had it handed to me

1910
01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:14,159
on a platter without knowing it was even

1911
01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:15,300
possible

1912
01:27:20,689 --> 01:27:18,360
uh obviously it's not a it's not a it's

1913
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,699
not it's not a super critical energetic

1914
01:27:26,450 --> 01:27:23,280
issue at all there's some more questions

1915
01:27:28,490 --> 01:27:26,460
from my people from my subscribers sure

1916
01:27:32,890 --> 01:27:28,500
okay get the questions ready I just have

1917
01:27:35,689 --> 01:27:32,900
a comment though sure it cannot

1918
01:27:38,990 --> 01:27:35,699
uh it

1919
01:27:42,410 --> 01:27:39,000
ET does it not because it takes up the

1920
01:27:45,890 --> 01:27:42,420
the energy of the known universe they do

1921
01:27:48,169 --> 01:27:45,900
it because it doesn't right they do

1922
01:27:50,689 --> 01:27:48,179
right exactly they do it because it

1923
01:27:53,149 --> 01:27:50,699
doesn't right but we as far as we

1924
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:53,159
understand it if they are from this

1925
01:27:57,530 --> 01:27:54,480
universe

1926
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:57,540
than they would have to

1927
01:28:03,050 --> 01:28:01,440
uh have more energy and and the universe

1928
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,060
would be affected there would be a lot

1929
01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:05,280
of energetic consequences but that

1930
01:28:09,410 --> 01:28:07,560
doesn't happen which means that they

1931
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:09,420
probably are from

1932
01:28:14,750 --> 01:28:12,239
Another Universe not maybe but since

1933
01:28:18,649 --> 01:28:14,760
we're riffing Whitley all right let me

1934
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:18,659
let me bounce off of that one more time

1935
01:28:26,590 --> 01:28:21,120
um here's here's the thing

1936
01:28:29,050 --> 01:28:26,600
it is uh it is debated

1937
01:28:33,470 --> 01:28:29,060
on our side

1938
01:28:35,810 --> 01:28:33,480
with our knowledge of where we are now

1939
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:35,820
with what we understand about quantum

1940
01:28:40,669 --> 01:28:37,260
physics and what we understand about

1941
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,679
Quantum anything or physics or math and

1942
01:28:46,490 --> 01:28:43,440
and our general knowledge

1943
01:28:50,209 --> 01:28:46,500
that's that that's where we base this

1944
01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:50,219
thing out Al cubieri and and Kip Thorne

1945
01:28:58,250 --> 01:28:54,420
and and those that have including uh uh

1946
01:29:00,590 --> 01:28:58,260
avilo the energies of uh of a black hole

1947
01:29:03,709 --> 01:29:00,600
in a wormhole and and the and what would

1948
01:29:07,610 --> 01:29:03,719
it what it would take to utilize those

1949
01:29:10,010 --> 01:29:07,620
that's based on what we know now it's I

1950
01:29:12,830 --> 01:29:10,020
didn't hear anything from Lawrence

1951
01:29:16,490 --> 01:29:12,840
Livermore laboratory when they created

1952
01:29:17,890 --> 01:29:16,500
that Wormhole last week and actually and

1953
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:17,900
their words

1954
01:29:23,330 --> 01:29:21,840
teleported information that that's those

1955
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,340
are there were not mine sounds like

1956
01:29:28,669 --> 01:29:25,920
something I would say but they what they

1957
01:29:32,270 --> 01:29:28,679
didn't say was that it took the known

1958
01:29:34,729 --> 01:29:32,280
energy of North America to make this

1959
01:29:37,610 --> 01:29:34,739
happen no they didn't say that it didn't

1960
01:29:42,169 --> 01:29:37,620
say that at all so I I just don't

1961
01:29:45,649 --> 01:29:42,179
believe uh that uh it would take the the

1962
01:29:48,410 --> 01:29:45,659
energy of all of the known stars in our

1963
01:29:50,330 --> 01:29:48,420
universe to create one single black hole

1964
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:50,340
now I don't believe that for example a

1965
01:29:57,890 --> 01:29:51,600
wormhole

1966
01:30:00,649 --> 01:29:57,900
not so bad but well maybe it's possible

1967
01:30:02,570 --> 01:30:00,659
to create a wormhole from one part of

1968
01:30:05,090 --> 01:30:02,580
this universe to another without using

1969
01:30:06,649 --> 01:30:05,100
that much energy but we know it's

1970
01:30:08,689 --> 01:30:06,659
possible to do it

1971
01:30:11,450 --> 01:30:08,699
between this universe and the parallel

1972
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:11,460
parallel universe or they may exist

1973
01:30:17,090 --> 01:30:14,880
naturally too as well and maybe you just

1974
01:30:20,209 --> 01:30:17,100
I mean maybe they harvest them

1975
01:30:24,649 --> 01:30:20,219
Faith you know and what what is so crazy

1976
01:30:29,450 --> 01:30:24,659
about when you look at uh some of the uh

1977
01:30:31,129 --> 01:30:29,460
infrared uh and and different uh uh man

1978
01:30:35,689 --> 01:30:31,139
I just

1979
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:35,699
made me jump out of my skin that was

1980
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,360
weird uh it seemed real for a second it

1981
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:40,800
flew by me

1982
01:30:49,310 --> 01:30:44,880
um here's the thing when you see uh the

1983
01:30:52,370 --> 01:30:49,320
these deep deep uh uh views of the

1984
01:30:54,169 --> 01:30:52,380
universe and you see the gases on on how

1985
01:30:57,950 --> 01:30:54,179
the you know the galaxies are connected

1986
01:31:00,050 --> 01:30:57,960
and these nebula fan you know what you

1987
01:31:02,990 --> 01:31:00,060
don't see that with the naked eye and

1988
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:03,000
that that certainly feels wormholish to

1989
01:31:05,930 --> 01:31:04,920
me but here's the other part it's

1990
01:31:07,729 --> 01:31:05,940
natural

1991
01:31:11,209 --> 01:31:07,739
so why

1992
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:11,219
why wouldn't that happen naturally so

1993
01:31:16,729 --> 01:31:14,400
yeah yeah just like the rivers

1994
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,739
flow here on Earth you know why isn't

1995
01:31:20,990 --> 01:31:18,480
there something like that that's that's

1996
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:21,000
out there riding gravity waves well they

1997
01:31:27,169 --> 01:31:24,239
may be able to find these wormholes

1998
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:27,179
um you never know let's get through some

1999
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:28,560
of these questions they're quite good

2000
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:31,920
sure okay here's one that's probably a

2001
01:31:37,189 --> 01:31:34,320
lot a lot of people's minds but they

2002
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,199
never quite get to to it what's the

2003
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:39,360
timeline of the abductions when did they

2004
01:31:43,490 --> 01:31:41,760
really pick up well that's a simple

2005
01:31:46,970 --> 01:31:43,500
answer there

2006
01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:46,980
the first ones began to be reported in

2007
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:50,280
the late 50s uh they they surfaced in

2008
01:31:56,209 --> 01:31:53,120
the Betty and Bernie hill case in 1963

2009
01:32:00,350 --> 01:31:56,219
they picked up very dramatically in the

2010
01:32:04,250 --> 01:32:00,360
1970s and then in the mid 80s they began

2011
01:32:05,390 --> 01:32:04,260
to taper off slowly until now when

2012
01:32:09,050 --> 01:32:05,400
they're rare

2013
01:32:11,689 --> 01:32:09,060
in fact I haven't heard seen a new

2014
01:32:14,030 --> 01:32:11,699
abduction account in a couple of years

2015
01:32:17,149 --> 01:32:14,040
so yeah

2016
01:32:24,590 --> 01:32:20,870
material they finished obviously

2017
01:32:28,209 --> 01:32:24,600
well okay can can I answer that in my

2018
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:28,219
own of course no you can't answer James

2019
01:32:34,610 --> 01:32:31,679
I control it when it's your show and

2020
01:32:37,090 --> 01:32:34,620
that concludes this episode of unknown

2021
01:32:42,350 --> 01:32:37,100
country with our guests

2022
01:32:45,050 --> 01:32:42,360
so here but but this is uh this is

2023
01:32:47,530 --> 01:32:45,060
something that I'm convinced of

2024
01:32:59,410 --> 01:32:47,540
it's not

2025
01:33:02,930 --> 01:32:59,420
number of intelligent extraterrestrial

2026
01:33:04,430 --> 01:33:02,940
civilizations out there just in our

2027
01:33:06,590 --> 01:33:04,440
Milky Way I'm not talking about the

2028
01:33:07,970 --> 01:33:06,600
universe I'm talking about there are

2029
01:33:11,209 --> 01:33:07,980
billions

2030
01:33:13,550 --> 01:33:11,219
just around us in our in our uh solar

2031
01:33:16,209 --> 01:33:13,560
neighborhood Stellar neighborhood right

2032
01:33:20,030 --> 01:33:16,219
here so

2033
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:20,040
from all directions uh around planet

2034
01:33:27,410 --> 01:33:23,520
Earth you can go south North Point in a

2035
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:27,420
direction and there is uh tens of

2036
01:33:33,950 --> 01:33:30,960
thousands of planets with life on it if

2037
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:33,960
you just hold up a dime in the sky right

2038
01:33:42,050 --> 01:33:37,199
right there so

2039
01:33:44,629 --> 01:33:42,060
um how many uh are uh knowledgeable of

2040
01:33:46,910 --> 01:33:44,639
planet Earth and have been here well

2041
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:46,920
sometimes I think it's an infinite

2042
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:49,199
amount how many body

2043
01:33:55,850 --> 01:33:51,120
can go anywhere

2044
01:33:57,709 --> 01:33:55,860
except us and we can't go nowhere no and

2045
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:57,719
so they can come here and play games

2046
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:00,960
with us all they want to well then isn't

2047
01:34:05,930 --> 01:34:03,360
isn't what we are trying to do we're

2048
01:34:08,209 --> 01:34:05,940
trying to get there we're looking we've

2049
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:08,219
got James exactly and you know what we

2050
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,320
would do if we found a planet

2051
01:34:14,510 --> 01:34:12,719
that had another intelligent species on

2052
01:34:17,570 --> 01:34:14,520
it that had never left its planet and

2053
01:34:18,310 --> 01:34:17,580
didn't know how to get there get to get

2054
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:18,320
out

2055
01:34:25,310 --> 01:34:23,040
destroy themselves

2056
01:34:28,189 --> 01:34:25,320
we would do two things

2057
01:34:30,890 --> 01:34:28,199
we would make a record of them

2058
01:34:32,990 --> 01:34:30,900
a biological record of them

2059
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:33,000
and we would try to communicate with

2060
01:34:37,490 --> 01:34:33,840
them

2061
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:37,500
and the second part of it would be far

2062
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:40,380
more difficult than anyone has ever

2063
01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:43,440
imagined and in in them I'm gonna go

2064
01:34:52,250 --> 01:34:47,820
through exactly why that is why and it

2065
01:34:55,010 --> 01:34:52,260
is true it is not possible that for them

2066
01:34:59,149 --> 01:34:55,020
to land on the White House lawn and give

2067
01:35:03,790 --> 01:34:59,159
the president plans to a Starship cannot

2068
01:35:06,050 --> 01:35:03,800
happen why it cannot happen because

2069
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:06,060
their brains

2070
01:35:10,610 --> 01:35:08,639
are not going to function like our

2071
01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:10,620
brains and give you

2072
01:35:24,350 --> 01:35:22,310
nothing a mouse can never hear

2073
01:35:26,930 --> 01:35:24,360
the voice of an elephant

2074
01:35:29,450 --> 01:35:26,940
nor an elephant the voice of a mouse

2075
01:35:32,570 --> 01:35:29,460
they can't do it because they're

2076
01:35:35,930 --> 01:35:32,580
perceptual systems are too different the

2077
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:35,940
mouse cannot hear tones as low as those

2078
01:35:41,570 --> 01:35:38,400
made by the elephant nor can the

2079
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:41,580
elephant hear tones as high as those

2080
01:35:49,729 --> 01:35:46,400
made by the mouse now if you add to that

2081
01:35:53,149 --> 01:35:49,739
the fact that they may have they may not

2082
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:53,159
even see light in the same way that we

2083
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:56,480
do and their their brains May process

2084
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:00,000
information very differently from us

2085
01:36:06,250 --> 01:36:04,800
it is going to be the single greatest

2086
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:06,260
achievement

2087
01:36:14,689 --> 01:36:10,320
in human history and possibly in their

2088
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:14,699
history to successfully create useful

2089
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:17,280
communication between us

2090
01:36:23,870 --> 01:36:20,639
and that is why on that night

2091
01:36:27,050 --> 01:36:23,880
when I heard this all I heard from them

2092
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:27,060
in terms of voices was a mechanical

2093
01:36:32,510 --> 01:36:30,000
voice repeating over and over again what

2094
01:36:36,530 --> 01:36:32,520
can we do to help you stop screaming

2095
01:36:40,970 --> 01:36:36,540
now they weren't they they if they had

2096
01:36:43,250 --> 01:36:40,980
known understood us even a little bit it

2097
01:36:45,410 --> 01:36:43,260
would have been saying do not worry

2098
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,420
we're not going to harm you you don't

2099
01:36:48,169 --> 01:36:47,280
need to scream we will return you to

2100
01:36:50,570 --> 01:36:48,179
home

2101
01:36:51,470 --> 01:36:50,580
but instead they were simply asking a

2102
01:36:57,530 --> 01:36:51,480
question

2103
01:36:59,570 --> 01:36:57,540
can we do to calm you down

2104
01:37:02,870 --> 01:36:59,580
not what can we do to help you stop

2105
01:37:05,330 --> 01:37:02,880
screaming see what I mean they weren't

2106
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:05,340
communicating even though they could

2107
01:37:09,470 --> 01:37:07,440
generate an artificial version of our

2108
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:09,480
language

2109
01:37:19,790 --> 01:37:12,480
the

2110
01:37:25,070 --> 01:37:19,800
you know Eisenhower and Holloman

2111
01:37:27,229 --> 01:37:25,080
Eisenhower at Edwards uh the contact uh

2112
01:37:29,689 --> 01:37:27,239
different state actors around the world

2113
01:37:32,750 --> 01:37:29,699
uh with kind of what did we do with

2114
01:37:35,530 --> 01:37:32,760
those uh stories

2115
01:37:38,930 --> 01:37:35,540
well first of all

2116
01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:38,940
we don't know

2117
01:37:43,310 --> 01:37:41,340
exactly what those stories are about and

2118
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:43,320
whether or not they're even true

2119
01:37:50,510 --> 01:37:48,350
I would think

2120
01:37:52,990 --> 01:37:50,520
that if there was a face-to-face contact

2121
01:37:56,090 --> 01:37:53,000
with a state actor

2122
01:37:59,330 --> 01:37:56,100
whoever was doing it would have worked

2123
01:38:02,090 --> 01:37:59,340
out some means of communicating that

2124
01:38:05,290 --> 01:38:02,100
that that was effective at least for

2125
01:38:08,990 --> 01:38:05,300
that purpose but when you talk about

2126
01:38:10,370 --> 01:38:09,000
communicating with a whole species no I

2127
01:38:12,530 --> 01:38:10,380
don't think they're even close to that

2128
01:38:16,970 --> 01:38:12,540
like us in the Dolphins

2129
01:38:18,830 --> 01:38:16,980
we can't we cannot know what is going on

2130
01:38:21,649 --> 01:38:18,840
between them when they make their sounds

2131
01:38:24,830 --> 01:38:21,659
we can teach them to play ball with us

2132
01:38:28,610 --> 01:38:24,840
we can teach them all kinds of things to

2133
01:38:31,790 --> 01:38:28,620
we can we can cause them to go through

2134
01:38:35,090 --> 01:38:31,800
the motions of communicating with us but

2135
01:38:37,550 --> 01:38:35,100
the gulf between our language and their

2136
01:38:40,689 --> 01:38:37,560
language and therefore our vision of the

2137
01:38:44,030 --> 01:38:40,699
world and their vision of the world is

2138
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:44,040
uncrossable uncrossable

2139
01:38:49,450 --> 01:38:47,280
and it's even more uncrossable I would

2140
01:38:52,669 --> 01:38:49,460
think when you're dealing with someone

2141
01:38:55,490 --> 01:38:52,679
who evolved in a completely different

2142
01:38:57,470 --> 01:38:55,500
parallel uh planetary environment and

2143
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,480
possibly even in a different Universe

2144
01:39:03,290 --> 01:38:59,520
with different physics

2145
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:03,300
so they don't give a crap then of course

2146
01:39:06,110 --> 01:39:04,560
they do they wouldn't be here if they

2147
01:39:10,570 --> 01:39:06,120
didn't give up no I don't mean it like

2148
01:39:14,689 --> 01:39:10,580
that when I let me let me rephrase uh

2149
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,699
the defense retracts the question your

2150
01:39:21,970 --> 01:39:17,520
honor I didn't realize we were having a

2151
01:39:26,330 --> 01:39:21,980
debate is is is this is it the same as

2152
01:39:29,390 --> 01:39:26,340
uh scientists going to the rain forest

2153
01:39:31,490 --> 01:39:29,400
and looking for new species right no

2154
01:39:33,050 --> 01:39:31,500
it's more much more like Jane Goodall

2155
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:33,060
trying to communicate with the

2156
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:35,760
chimpanzees yeah but she cared about the

2157
01:39:40,189 --> 01:39:37,679
chimpanzees well they may care very much

2158
01:39:43,870 --> 01:39:40,199
about us but did the chimpanzees were

2159
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:43,880
very iffy about Jane Goodall but okay

2160
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:46,560
but I don't know if they were concerned

2161
01:39:50,990 --> 01:39:48,960
about your feelings or emotional

2162
01:39:52,250 --> 01:39:51,000
well-being they weren't with that anal

2163
01:39:53,390 --> 01:39:52,260
they were gonna do they were on a

2164
01:39:55,610 --> 01:39:53,400
mission and they were going to do that

2165
01:39:57,950 --> 01:39:55,620
right they wanted me to stop screaming

2166
01:39:59,450 --> 01:39:57,960
but that didn't necessarily mean that

2167
01:40:01,129 --> 01:39:59,460
they wanted me to be happy with what was

2168
01:40:04,570 --> 01:40:01,139
happening right

2169
01:40:08,209 --> 01:40:04,580
right well it's so Jane Goodall wouldn't

2170
01:40:10,729 --> 01:40:08,219
wouldn't have uh freaked out the

2171
01:40:13,070 --> 01:40:10,739
chimpanzees no here's another great

2172
01:40:15,410 --> 01:40:13,080
question could quantum computers be used

2173
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,420
to Aid on the in the communication

2174
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:17,760
between us and the visitors and that

2175
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:20,880
gets me to AI because we might really

2176
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:24,239
have something with AI and then you have

2177
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:26,880
to ask yourself well why don't they do

2178
01:40:32,450 --> 01:40:30,000
that they do the answer is obvious yes

2179
01:40:35,209 --> 01:40:32,460
they don't have the ability or they

2180
01:40:37,129 --> 01:40:35,219
would do it no no unless they just don't

2181
01:40:39,050 --> 01:40:37,139
want to because they're what they're

2182
01:40:41,810 --> 01:40:39,060
doing with us is something we definitely

2183
01:40:43,729 --> 01:40:41,820
do not want and they don't want us to

2184
01:40:45,410 --> 01:40:43,739
figure it out so they don't want to

2185
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,420
communicate with us they just want to do

2186
01:40:49,250 --> 01:40:47,040
their thing all right since we're

2187
01:40:50,930 --> 01:40:49,260
riffing here on unknown country and

2188
01:40:53,870 --> 01:40:50,940
welcome everybody back to another

2189
01:40:54,910 --> 01:40:53,880
edition of unknown country is is this

2190
01:40:59,629 --> 01:40:54,920
though

2191
01:41:03,410 --> 01:40:59,639
when we are talking about Quantum

2192
01:41:07,070 --> 01:41:03,420
I really feel Whitley that E.T has got

2193
01:41:09,250 --> 01:41:07,080
entanglement down they understand it and

2194
01:41:15,890 --> 01:41:09,260
that's their ability to communicate

2195
01:41:19,490 --> 01:41:17,450
because we know it works we've

2196
01:41:22,610 --> 01:41:19,500
experimented with enough to know it

2197
01:41:24,530 --> 01:41:22,620
works but it's very unstable for us and

2198
01:41:27,530 --> 01:41:24,540
also the amount of communication that

2199
01:41:29,149 --> 01:41:27,540
you can achieve is minimal uh there I

2200
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:29,159
mean the US Navy has been intensely

2201
01:41:34,430 --> 01:41:30,960
interested in Quantum communication for

2202
01:41:36,530 --> 01:41:34,440
obvious reasons right but so far so bad

2203
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,540
we haven't really gotten any

2204
01:41:39,950 --> 01:41:38,400
we haven't gotten it to the point where

2205
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:39,960
we have a Quantum Communicator that

2206
01:41:44,450 --> 01:41:40,800
could

2207
01:41:47,090 --> 01:41:44,460
even even communicate simple code yeah

2208
01:41:49,490 --> 01:41:47,100
because it's you know one qubit at a

2209
01:41:51,709 --> 01:41:49,500
time you know one entangled particle at

2210
01:41:55,010 --> 01:41:51,719
a time exactly and it and it's also the

2211
01:41:58,430 --> 01:41:55,020
entanglements are unstable but

2212
01:41:59,810 --> 01:41:58,440
this is this is my take all right and

2213
01:42:03,050 --> 01:41:59,820
especially when we're dealing with

2214
01:42:06,430 --> 01:42:03,060
channeling and you know you know Bashar

2215
01:42:10,370 --> 01:42:06,440
it is it's not an entangled particle

2216
01:42:13,090 --> 01:42:10,380
it's entangled particles that's the

2217
01:42:15,770 --> 01:42:13,100
communication it's entangled brains

2218
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:15,780
entangled minds and I think it might be

2219
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:18,000
right and I think that

2220
01:42:25,550 --> 01:42:21,360
you know I've suspected at times

2221
01:42:28,250 --> 01:42:25,560
that this might be a completely

2222
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:28,260
this universe might be more of a mesh

2223
01:42:32,590 --> 01:42:29,820
consciousness

2224
01:42:36,410 --> 01:42:32,600
and that we might be for some reason

2225
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:36,420
kind of out of the loop out of the mesh

2226
01:42:40,490 --> 01:42:39,600
we're not part of it

2227
01:42:45,290 --> 01:42:40,500
um

2228
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:45,300
uh why not I mean it it just makes sense

2229
01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:47,340
that's a good question

2230
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:49,260
I mean why not why do I have to always

2231
01:42:55,729 --> 01:42:53,280
be we have to always be the the the ones

2232
01:42:58,430 --> 01:42:55,739
that are that are hit upside of the head

2233
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,440
instead of allowed to walk through the

2234
01:43:01,490 --> 01:43:00,480
front door I mean you know what's wrong

2235
01:43:04,490 --> 01:43:01,500
with us

2236
01:43:05,810 --> 01:43:04,500
and uh and it's not something wrong with

2237
01:43:08,030 --> 01:43:05,820
us I don't think I think it's something

2238
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,040
right with us I think they are

2239
01:43:12,290 --> 01:43:10,320
exploiting us whoever they are wherever

2240
01:43:14,990 --> 01:43:12,300
they're from and I think that's probably

2241
01:43:17,810 --> 01:43:15,000
the reason the reason they have

2242
01:43:20,090 --> 01:43:17,820
orchestrated all of this secrecy so that

2243
01:43:22,669 --> 01:43:20,100
the average person will not realize this

2244
01:43:27,070 --> 01:43:22,679
is happening and this is real because

2245
01:43:31,010 --> 01:43:27,080
the the secrecy empowers them and

2246
01:43:33,229 --> 01:43:31,020
disclosure destroys their ability to

2247
01:43:37,129 --> 01:43:33,239
move freely Among Us doing what they

2248
01:43:38,510 --> 01:43:37,139
wish to do on their own time and in

2249
01:43:40,729 --> 01:43:38,520
their own way

2250
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:40,739
Whitley you meditate have you ever

2251
01:43:45,770 --> 01:43:43,679
received a download

2252
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:45,780
you know I don't know what that is and

2253
01:43:49,370 --> 01:43:47,520
I've wondered about that I hear these

2254
01:43:52,250 --> 01:43:49,380
things about downloads and what the hell

2255
01:43:53,629 --> 01:43:52,260
is this and and yet at the same time I

2256
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:53,639
may be receiving downloads without

2257
01:43:59,930 --> 01:43:57,199
knowing what downloads are sure like I I

2258
01:44:02,750 --> 01:43:59,940
every once in a while I get into a kind

2259
01:44:06,590 --> 01:44:02,760
of dialogue and when I do that I will

2260
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:06,600
pick up my phone and I will take notes

2261
01:44:13,790 --> 01:44:10,380
in the I will uh dictate notes into the

2262
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:13,800
phone let me see I probably got some in

2263
01:44:19,250 --> 01:44:14,880
here in fact

2264
01:44:21,709 --> 01:44:19,260
oh yeah okay this is 12 15 22.

2265
01:44:25,070 --> 01:44:21,719
bright Souls transmit light they are

2266
01:44:27,290 --> 01:44:25,080
balancing black Souls absorb light they

2267
01:44:28,910 --> 01:44:27,300
are active white Souls reflect light

2268
01:44:31,609 --> 01:44:28,920
they are passive

2269
01:44:33,649 --> 01:44:31,619
souls are not creatures but States these

2270
01:44:37,070 --> 01:44:33,659
states live within creatures or may do

2271
01:44:39,410 --> 01:44:37,080
so now I don't I can't tell you that I

2272
01:44:41,629 --> 01:44:39,420
can explain all of that that I just read

2273
01:44:43,609 --> 01:44:41,639
but that's what came I guess that's a

2274
01:44:44,689 --> 01:44:43,619
download isn't it yeah it's pretty deep

2275
01:44:47,090 --> 01:44:44,699
actually

2276
01:44:50,689 --> 01:44:47,100
it's very deep like you know I can I can

2277
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:50,699
go through it actually uh bright Souls

2278
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:54,239
transmit light that means that these are

2279
01:45:00,649 --> 01:44:57,360
Mastery Souls with Mastery and they have

2280
01:45:03,050 --> 01:45:00,659
something to to give to others black

2281
01:45:04,910 --> 01:45:03,060
Souls absorb light this means that these

2282
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,920
are essentially students who are

2283
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,440
learning and they're they're covered in

2284
01:45:11,870 --> 01:45:09,840
Blackness because of the fact that they

2285
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:11,880
are there to absorb this light

2286
01:45:19,629 --> 01:45:16,080
and white Souls reflect light this these

2287
01:45:25,129 --> 01:45:19,639
are souls that are for whatever reason

2288
01:45:27,410 --> 01:45:25,139
not willing to or not able to accept the

2289
01:45:30,410 --> 01:45:27,420
transmission of those that are bright

2290
01:45:32,750 --> 01:45:30,420
that are Shining that would be my guess

2291
01:45:34,189 --> 01:45:32,760
as to what this means

2292
01:45:36,890 --> 01:45:34,199
and that's you know that that that

2293
01:45:38,689 --> 01:45:36,900
doesn't happen often usually it's much

2294
01:45:42,290 --> 01:45:38,699
more sort of

2295
01:45:45,229 --> 01:45:42,300
I won't say technological but it's much

2296
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:45,239
more about my work you know where to go

2297
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:48,480
with the writing and what what I need

2298
01:45:54,890 --> 01:45:52,320
and and I I I'm it's wanted that I form

2299
01:45:56,590 --> 01:45:54,900
very specific questions about what I

2300
01:45:58,189 --> 01:45:56,600
need in my research

2301
01:46:00,470 --> 01:45:58,199
and

2302
01:46:03,470 --> 01:46:00,480
um inevitably in a few days the answers

2303
01:46:07,910 --> 01:46:03,480
drop in the into my life in the form of

2304
01:46:10,129 --> 01:46:07,920
I find a book or or something but the

2305
01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:10,139
key here is attention you have to have

2306
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:13,020
your attention acutely tuned

2307
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:16,320
so that you will notice when these

2308
01:46:22,609 --> 01:46:19,199
things come in in your daily life

2309
01:46:25,010 --> 01:46:22,619
last night I had I I I I cannot believe

2310
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:25,020
that you just said what you just said

2311
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:26,880
about the colors of the souls because

2312
01:46:29,450 --> 01:46:28,800
last night's Susan Slaughter was on the

2313
01:46:34,669 --> 01:46:29,460
show

2314
01:46:37,609 --> 01:46:34,679
and she said this Whitley trip on this

2315
01:46:40,850 --> 01:46:37,619
he goes into this state does that part

2316
01:46:45,470 --> 01:46:40,860
doesn't matter but she says that she she

2317
01:46:48,169 --> 01:46:45,480
looks down at herself and she doesn't

2318
01:46:50,510 --> 01:46:48,179
see herself

2319
01:46:54,890 --> 01:46:50,520
she sees herself

2320
01:46:57,530 --> 01:46:54,900
as flat black absorbing light

2321
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:57,540
so she's a student yeah

2322
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:59,520
probably most of us see ourselves that

2323
01:47:04,129 --> 01:47:01,679
way wow

2324
01:47:06,169 --> 01:47:04,139
well that's what we are here this is a

2325
01:47:08,090 --> 01:47:06,179
school and we're the students two nights

2326
01:47:09,950 --> 01:47:08,100
in a row same statement two different

2327
01:47:12,530 --> 01:47:09,960
because you see that's how the implant

2328
01:47:16,010 --> 01:47:12,540
that's how my whole thing works

2329
01:47:18,649 --> 01:47:16,020
that it's that's not a coincidence it's

2330
01:47:21,729 --> 01:47:18,659
a teaching right and it's saying

2331
01:47:25,550 --> 01:47:21,739
basically this is true this is correct

2332
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:25,560
the black souls are there absorbing the

2333
01:47:30,109 --> 01:47:28,080
light these are the students

2334
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:30,119
that's that's what we are and that's

2335
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:32,400
what she is probably what I am too and

2336
01:47:37,490 --> 01:47:33,360
you

2337
01:47:39,170 --> 01:47:37,500
I hope I'm not green or something

2338
01:47:40,930 --> 01:47:39,180
I'm in detention

2339
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:40,940
[Laughter]

2340
01:47:45,290 --> 01:47:43,679
I'm in detention I'm you know I've got

2341
01:47:46,729 --> 01:47:45,300
Saturday detention if I'm the student

2342
01:47:50,990 --> 01:47:46,739
the

2343
01:47:53,930 --> 01:47:51,000
machine for a second with you

2344
01:47:55,450 --> 01:47:53,940
um uh a little bit yeah sure before we

2345
01:47:57,950 --> 01:47:55,460
run out of time

2346
01:48:02,629 --> 01:47:57,960
years ago

2347
01:48:07,129 --> 01:48:02,639
yeah I'm probably let's say

2348
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,139
15 years ago I'm listening to Dreamland

2349
01:48:12,830 --> 01:48:09,600
I'm listening to you know one of your

2350
01:48:14,930 --> 01:48:12,840
things and I was listening to you and

2351
01:48:16,490 --> 01:48:14,940
your guest riff and you guys were

2352
01:48:20,689 --> 01:48:16,500
ripping right

2353
01:48:22,669 --> 01:48:20,699
and but you said you said uh one thing

2354
01:48:23,930 --> 01:48:22,679
and you guys uh I can't remember who the

2355
01:48:26,570 --> 01:48:23,940
guest was but you were talking about

2356
01:48:30,290 --> 01:48:26,580
civilizations uh in the in the Deep past

2357
01:48:32,090 --> 01:48:30,300
uh uh you know uh 10 15 100 million

2358
01:48:34,129 --> 01:48:32,100
years ago and and what was going on it

2359
01:48:36,290 --> 01:48:34,139
was a great fun conversation and you

2360
01:48:37,330 --> 01:48:36,300
guys were speculating on things

2361
01:48:40,910 --> 01:48:37,340
um

2362
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:40,920
and uh and then you guys swung it uh the

2363
01:48:46,609 --> 01:48:42,800
conversation comes around

2364
01:48:49,550 --> 01:48:46,619
and you said something that profoundly

2365
01:48:51,490 --> 01:48:49,560
changed me and I I want your comment on

2366
01:48:55,390 --> 01:48:51,500
this you said

2367
01:48:58,270 --> 01:48:55,400
that the little blue guys

2368
01:49:03,890 --> 01:48:58,280
may or may not have been ET

2369
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:03,900
and you felt that uh they may be us in

2370
01:49:09,770 --> 01:49:06,960
the afterlife yeah well that's that's

2371
01:49:13,850 --> 01:49:09,780
that came from actually and secretary

2372
01:49:15,890 --> 01:49:13,860
Laurie Burns who had an experience in

2373
01:49:17,930 --> 01:49:15,900
the 50s in the early 50s when they

2374
01:49:18,830 --> 01:49:17,940
showed up in her bedroom the little blue

2375
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:18,840
guys

2376
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:22,560
uh and she's lying there alone in the

2377
01:49:28,850 --> 01:49:25,199
house at 11 o'clock at night reading a

2378
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:28,860
book and uh pregnant with her first

2379
01:49:34,189 --> 01:49:31,920
child and suddenly these bizarre looking

2380
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,199
blue figures are standing beside the bed

2381
01:49:38,270 --> 01:49:36,960
and she was naturally extremely

2382
01:49:42,770 --> 01:49:38,280
concerned

2383
01:49:45,290 --> 01:49:42,780
and she recoiled in horror and the

2384
01:49:49,550 --> 01:49:45,300
leader said do not be afraid we're not

2385
01:49:50,649 --> 01:49:49,560
here to heart for you we are here to uh

2386
01:49:52,910 --> 01:49:50,659
uh

2387
01:49:55,729 --> 01:49:52,920
we're interested in the girl child

2388
01:49:57,050 --> 01:49:55,739
you're carrying and of course they

2389
01:49:58,910 --> 01:49:57,060
didn't they couldn't tell whether or not

2390
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,920
it was a boy or a girl in those days it

2391
01:50:03,229 --> 01:50:00,960
did turn out to be a girl and whom I've

2392
01:50:06,410 --> 01:50:03,239
interviewed as an adult and she's a very

2393
01:50:09,649 --> 01:50:06,420
nice woman and uh has a certain level of

2394
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:09,659
experiences in her own life in any case

2395
01:50:14,090 --> 01:50:10,639
um

2396
01:50:19,250 --> 01:50:14,100
uh then

2397
01:50:22,370 --> 01:50:19,260
she continued to recoil and he put his

2398
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:22,380
hand on her wrist and said why do you

2399
01:50:27,169 --> 01:50:23,760
fear us

2400
01:50:30,410 --> 01:50:27,179
and she said because you're so ugly

2401
01:50:34,669 --> 01:50:30,420
and he then said when dear my day my

2402
01:50:36,890 --> 01:50:34,679
dear you will look exactly like us

2403
01:50:38,990 --> 01:50:36,900
and I thought to myself that could be a

2404
01:50:42,050 --> 01:50:39,000
very important statement

2405
01:50:43,490 --> 01:50:42,060
because it could be that we are a speed

2406
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:43,500
a multi

2407
01:50:49,790 --> 01:50:45,840
part species like caterpillars and

2408
01:50:52,010 --> 01:50:49,800
butterflies or tadpoles and frogs and

2409
01:50:55,970 --> 01:50:52,020
um who's to say the caterpillar wouldn't

2410
01:50:59,870 --> 01:50:55,980
find the blood butterfly terrifying

2411
01:51:02,870 --> 01:50:59,880
you know are the are the blue

2412
01:51:05,090 --> 01:51:02,880
are the blue guys the blue beings

2413
01:51:07,310 --> 01:51:05,100
um two questions are they existing in

2414
01:51:09,709 --> 01:51:07,320
another dimension and stepping into this

2415
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:09,719
one or do they exist in our Dimension

2416
01:51:14,330 --> 01:51:11,760
and come from somewhere else to visit us

2417
01:51:16,129 --> 01:51:14,340
well two questions that are both easy to

2418
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:16,139
answer with the same

2419
01:51:20,689 --> 01:51:18,250
three words I don't know

2420
01:51:22,729 --> 01:51:20,699
[Laughter]

2421
01:51:25,490 --> 01:51:22,739
I don't know

2422
01:51:28,370 --> 01:51:25,500
um my listen my chat rooms popping let

2423
01:51:31,729 --> 01:51:28,380
me look in here uh

2424
01:51:34,189 --> 01:51:31,739
uh yeah here on unknown country we have

2425
01:51:36,109 --> 01:51:34,199
the best chat room and hello everybody

2426
01:51:38,750 --> 01:51:36,119
in the chat room

2427
01:51:41,570 --> 01:51:38,760
were the creatures Grays you discuss

2428
01:51:44,030 --> 01:51:41,580
them as spiderlike well uh that was

2429
01:51:46,729 --> 01:51:44,040
earlier actually uh

2430
01:51:48,890 --> 01:51:46,739
they were the Grays if you're with the

2431
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:48,900
Grays they're very thin and they have

2432
01:51:55,490 --> 01:51:52,560
long thin arms and you'd think spider

2433
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:55,500
but but that was yeah that was the

2434
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,360
greatest I that was what we call the

2435
01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:59,280
Grays but I want to go back to the

2436
01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:00,960
communion experience and when we were

2437
01:52:05,689 --> 01:52:02,880
talking about it and you were asking me

2438
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:05,699
I was a little hesitant about did I buy

2439
01:52:09,649 --> 01:52:07,679
into the completely buy into the fact

2440
01:52:11,209 --> 01:52:09,659
that they were aliens then I said yeah

2441
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:11,219
they probably were

2442
01:52:16,850 --> 01:52:14,400
but I'm I would not close the door on

2443
01:52:18,890 --> 01:52:16,860
the question and you then we started

2444
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:18,900
talking about my labs I would not close

2445
01:52:22,970 --> 01:52:20,880
the door on any of these questions right

2446
01:52:25,790 --> 01:52:22,980
I don't know what happened and I don't I

2447
01:52:28,010 --> 01:52:25,800
I know something physical happened

2448
01:52:30,649 --> 01:52:28,020
because I was injured

2449
01:52:32,510 --> 01:52:30,659
I was injured in two places side of my

2450
01:52:33,950 --> 01:52:32,520
head in my butt

2451
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:33,960
but

2452
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:37,920
I don't know is exactly who was there

2453
01:52:44,270 --> 01:52:41,040
that caused that I can describe very

2454
01:52:47,149 --> 01:52:44,280
precisely what I remember but that

2455
01:52:51,169 --> 01:52:47,159
doesn't answer the question nothing will

2456
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:51,179
answer that question ultimately unless I

2457
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:54,719
was to get a flying saucer and and and

2458
01:52:59,330 --> 01:52:58,080
and be able to show it on this on a

2459
01:53:01,550 --> 01:52:59,340
street corner or take it to the

2460
01:53:03,229 --> 01:53:01,560
Smithsonian then we would have some

2461
01:53:05,810 --> 01:53:03,239
answers especially if it had a bunch of

2462
01:53:08,990 --> 01:53:05,820
rectal probes in a cabinet right right

2463
01:53:13,370 --> 01:53:09,000
right I I I have to say Whitley I've uh

2464
01:53:17,390 --> 01:53:13,380
I've done 2 000 shows and I have never

2465
01:53:19,010 --> 01:53:17,400
said uh recto Pro more in any show well

2466
01:53:21,709 --> 01:53:19,020
I hope it doesn't bother you because you

2467
01:53:24,530 --> 01:53:21,719
know it took me years before I could

2468
01:53:26,930 --> 01:53:24,540
even say the in public that I had been

2469
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,940
raped and I you know it was unfortunate

2470
01:53:30,169 --> 01:53:28,560
because I should have said that right at

2471
01:53:33,729 --> 01:53:30,179
the beginning when they started with the

2472
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:33,739
when when uh uh South Park started

2473
01:53:38,209 --> 01:53:36,900
lampooning me I should have gone on the

2474
01:53:40,910 --> 01:53:38,219
air and said hey wait a minute you know

2475
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,920
I got raped I mean why is that funny but

2476
01:53:45,290 --> 01:53:43,199
I didn't I was so humiliated

2477
01:53:47,390 --> 01:53:45,300
and and you know I was treated for it

2478
01:53:50,510 --> 01:53:47,400
for 20 years it wasn't it was a

2479
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:50,520
significant injury right right and um

2480
01:53:54,890 --> 01:53:53,040
the the first Doctor Who treated me knew

2481
01:53:56,750 --> 01:53:54,900
what he what had happened but the

2482
01:53:58,609 --> 01:53:56,760
subsequent ones never knew they just

2483
01:54:00,470 --> 01:53:58,619
knew it was a that there was Scar Tissue

2484
01:54:03,290 --> 01:54:00,480
there to be treated

2485
01:54:07,370 --> 01:54:03,300
um okay so let's stay on the subject uh

2486
01:54:10,750 --> 01:54:07,380
uh that scene and it's kind of funny

2487
01:54:14,510 --> 01:54:10,760
because I just brought up the blue guys

2488
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:14,520
are the blue guys that we were just

2489
01:54:19,729 --> 01:54:17,520
talking about that they may be us are

2490
01:54:22,189 --> 01:54:19,739
those the same blue guys that were

2491
01:54:25,550 --> 01:54:22,199
depicted in the movie in in that scene

2492
01:54:28,189 --> 01:54:25,560
yeah they they had those big flat faces

2493
01:54:31,010 --> 01:54:28,199
and they were about that size yes that

2494
01:54:32,990 --> 01:54:31,020
that's what I remember really that's

2495
01:54:35,930 --> 01:54:33,000
where I remember seeing yeah I always

2496
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:35,940
wondered about that the Grays in the

2497
01:54:40,729 --> 01:54:37,760
movie or in the movie are not very

2498
01:54:43,070 --> 01:54:40,739
realistic but the blue guys are closer

2499
01:54:45,050 --> 01:54:43,080
to what I remember hey they did the best

2500
01:54:46,490 --> 01:54:45,060
they could with those puppets they did I

2501
01:54:48,470 --> 01:54:46,500
mean they did the best they could and I

2502
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:48,480
said to Philippe [\h__\h] my brother did

2503
01:54:52,970 --> 01:54:50,880
too you should you should darken this

2504
01:54:55,010 --> 01:54:52,980
you could make these scenes you know in

2505
01:54:57,709 --> 01:54:55,020
the room much darker but he wouldn't do

2506
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:57,719
it because uh we didn't have the the

2507
01:55:02,090 --> 01:55:00,000
effects were not effective the the only

2508
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,100
one that's really works is when I that

2509
01:55:08,149 --> 01:55:05,040
thing looks in the door at me of the

2510
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:08,159
bedroom that's obscene man it's a really

2511
01:55:12,709 --> 01:55:11,280
startling experience messed obscene well

2512
01:55:14,810 --> 01:55:12,719
you know I have another I had another

2513
01:55:17,570 --> 01:55:14,820
experience like that that's not

2514
01:55:19,609 --> 01:55:17,580
connected to the movie in any way some

2515
01:55:20,750 --> 01:55:19,619
years later

2516
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:20,760
um

2517
01:55:24,410 --> 01:55:23,280
we were lying in bed we'd just been

2518
01:55:28,550 --> 01:55:24,420
doing a

2519
01:55:30,830 --> 01:55:28,560
an all-day thing at a at a some kind of

2520
01:55:32,510 --> 01:55:30,840
a some kind of retreat up there in

2521
01:55:33,470 --> 01:55:32,520
Upstate New York I forget what it was

2522
01:55:36,590 --> 01:55:33,480
called

2523
01:55:39,169 --> 01:55:36,600
and um we were

2524
01:55:41,990 --> 01:55:39,179
lying in bed and and

2525
01:55:44,750 --> 01:55:42,000
suddenly this thing

2526
01:55:47,570 --> 01:55:44,760
it was very unformed

2527
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:47,580
comes rushing into the room

2528
01:55:55,550 --> 01:55:52,080
and I immediately pick up the table

2529
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:55,560
beside the bed leap out of bed with the

2530
01:56:01,970 --> 01:55:58,320
table over my head hurl it at the thing

2531
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:01,980
with all my might and scream you'll

2532
01:56:07,490 --> 01:56:05,760
never get me you'll never get me

2533
01:56:12,410 --> 01:56:07,500
and to this day

2534
01:56:16,010 --> 01:56:12,420
I wonder what that was or why I knew

2535
01:56:18,470 --> 01:56:16,020
what it was at that time so clearly that

2536
01:56:21,890 --> 01:56:18,480
I considered it something that I would

2537
01:56:23,750 --> 01:56:21,900
never allow to get me

2538
01:56:26,750 --> 01:56:23,760
it's a good thing you didn't have that

2539
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:26,760
Italian Riot rifle

2540
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:28,800
I had it it was under the tape under the

2541
01:56:34,609 --> 01:56:30,960
bed but I didn't get a chance to happen

2542
01:56:37,070 --> 01:56:34,619
too fast it's a Benelli Riot gun respect

2543
01:56:38,990 --> 01:56:37,080
your weapons and one of the first things

2544
01:56:42,290 --> 01:56:39,000
you do if you respect your weapons is

2545
01:56:44,450 --> 01:56:42,300
you know your weapons name and all of

2546
01:56:46,430 --> 01:56:44,460
its functional capabilities

2547
01:56:50,030 --> 01:56:46,440
when I get this

2548
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:50,040
Whitley Merry Christmas we have a dinner

2549
01:56:56,330 --> 01:56:53,280
date planned so I am looking forward to

2550
01:56:57,890 --> 01:56:56,340
us breaking bread uh Whitley and I are

2551
01:56:59,570 --> 01:56:57,900
going to get together and we've made

2552
01:57:02,270 --> 01:56:59,580
plans we're going to talk about Egypt

2553
01:57:04,129 --> 01:57:02,280
all night I can't wait we're going to go

2554
01:57:05,390 --> 01:57:04,139
to Egypt together yeah we're doing that

2555
01:57:08,090 --> 01:57:05,400
next year it's going to be awesome

2556
01:57:10,970 --> 01:57:08,100
wonderful Whitley you said the book uh

2557
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:10,980
hopefully January hopefully January I

2558
01:57:14,089 --> 01:57:12,480
will be yelling and screaming when it

2559
01:57:15,530 --> 01:57:14,099
comes out don't worry I'll be begging

2560
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:15,540
you to let me on again and then you'll

2561
01:57:20,990 --> 01:57:17,760
say oh sure I'll let you on it'll be 500

2562
01:57:23,629 --> 01:57:21,000
bucks an hour what's the new book called

2563
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:23,639
It's called them oh that's right them

2564
01:57:28,370 --> 01:57:26,639
thank you so much my friend and if I

2565
01:57:31,370 --> 01:57:28,380
don't talk to you just have a great safe

2566
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:31,380
fun amazing Christmas and and uh are you

2567
01:57:35,270 --> 01:57:32,880
gonna go down and hang out with the

2568
01:57:36,890 --> 01:57:35,280
family I certainly am and then I'm going

2569
01:57:39,470 --> 01:57:36,900
to Texas right after Christmas to hang

2570
01:57:42,649 --> 01:57:39,480
out with my aunt and my friends my other

2571
01:57:43,970 --> 01:57:42,659
family safe travels I thank you you have

2572
01:57:45,770 --> 01:57:43,980
a great Christmas too and everybody

2573
01:57:48,050 --> 01:57:45,780
listening have a great Christmas and a

2574
01:57:50,270 --> 01:57:48,060
Happy New Year and don't forget the

2575
01:57:53,750 --> 01:57:50,280
Dreamland special it's extremely cool

2576
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:53,760
for one simple reason Jimmy church is in

2577
01:57:58,910 --> 01:57:57,599
it the link uh for unknown country is

2578
01:58:00,350 --> 01:57:58,920
right there we've got it throughout

2579
01:58:03,709 --> 01:58:00,360
social media and over on the website

2580
01:58:06,169 --> 01:58:03,719
Whitley Merry Christmas my friend peace

2581
01:58:09,530 --> 01:58:06,179
peace Brother the absolute very best

2582
01:58:11,330 --> 01:58:09,540
Whitley schrieber and again the links uh

2583
01:58:12,890 --> 01:58:11,340
for a known country are right there

2584
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:12,900
we've got it on social media go and

2585
01:58:17,510 --> 01:58:15,119
check it out Whitley and I had a great

2586
01:58:20,709 --> 01:58:17,520
conversation yesterday we had a great

2587
01:58:23,689 --> 01:58:20,719
one right now so Merry Christmas Whitley

2588
01:58:25,460 --> 01:58:23,699
and uh with that

2589
01:58:28,850 --> 01:58:25,470
I'm gonna get out of here

2590
01:58:31,070 --> 01:58:28,860
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01:58:32,689 --> 01:58:31,080
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01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:32,699
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2593
01:58:37,370 --> 01:58:35,280
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2594
01:58:40,030 --> 01:58:37,380
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2595
01:58:42,350 --> 01:58:40,040
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01:58:44,330 --> 01:58:42,360
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01:58:45,169 --> 01:58:44,340
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01:58:54,169 --> 01:58:52,560
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01:58:55,669 --> 01:58:54,179
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01:59:02,030 --> 01:58:59,639
church tomorrow night is our Merry

2607
01:59:08,970 --> 01:59:02,040
Christmas Ama

2608
01:59:22,370 --> 01:59:08,980
until then be safe go back Lee Taffy

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